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While there is alot of emotion on here today (NCFC) - Old Splat, Aug 24, 18:15:50
- 2 years of contract to pay off (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 18:18:18
  - Would be the most important signing since Lambert (NCFC) - Old Splat, Aug 24, 18:23:51
- Few beers? How many players did we buy for "24 m". Genuinely what did you expect (NCFC) - asics_kit, Aug 24, 18:18:12
  - Sober. Just reality check. (NCFC) - Old Splat, Aug 24, 18:26:10
  - Greater enterprise (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 18:20:07
    - Exactly. We (n/m) (NCFC) - asics_kit, Aug 24, 18:21:10
      - ?24m not enough for you? (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 18:24:40
        
        Just interested in this PL what you think that entitles us to? (n/m) (NCFC) - asics_kit, Aug 24, 18:27:23
Boot the Hoot, yes or (NCFC) - Lager top, Aug 24, 17:41:09
- Yes and bring in a first team coach who was not (NCFC) - Old Splat, Aug 24, 18:00:03
- yes (NCFC) - oli470, Aug 24, 17:56:51
  - If He Has No Plan B I Hope The Club Have One... (NCFC) - Martin Peters, Aug 24, 17:59:54
- If the board think they can find a better man now then yes (NCFC) - Ben, Aug 24, 17:53:21
- Ask again at the end of October, we need 11 or 12pts by then (n/m) (NCFC) - chuftncfc, Aug 24, 17:50:05
  - from 7 games?! (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 17:51:12
    - Spud, Chelski and Arse in that period. (NCFC) - chuftncfc, Aug 24, 17:54:31
      - just can't see us winning games with this mentality (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 17:56:55
        
        I agree. No change by end of Oct...Bye! (NCFC) - chuftncfc, Aug 24, 17:59:40
    - how many points did we get on the road last season? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Aug 24, 17:54:23
- yes (n/m) (NCFC) - RochdaleCanary, Aug 24, 17:49:22
- yes. (NCFC) - Norwood, Aug 24, 17:47:50
  - have (n/m) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Aug 24, 17:49:29
- Yes , cant see us improving (n/m) (NCFC) - wolfio, Aug 24, 17:46:05
- Give him 9 games (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 17:45:21
  - 9 games including cup games? (n/m) (NCFC) - Lager top, Aug 24, 17:46:50
    - Yes (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 17:47:06
      - vmt....^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - Lager top, Aug 24, 17:48:36
- Give him 10 games (NCFC) - talbotsunbeamer, Aug 24, 17:44:23
- if things don't improve by end of october (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 17:43:53
  - ffs we're agreeing a bit too much for my liking. ;-) (n/m) (NCFC) - avid_canary, Aug 24, 17:48:06
- no (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 17:43:41
- He is entitled to 10 games. Then review the situation. (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Aug 24, 17:43:22
- no (n/m) (NCFC) - Huge Small, Aug 24, 17:42:21
- Yes (n/m) (NCFC) - bobble, Aug 24, 17:42:06
- Not yet! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 24, 17:42:02
hoot says looked like only a matter of time before we'd score (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 17:40:33
- unfortunately, it'll begin with Sept! (n/m) (NCFC) - chuftncfc, Aug 24, 17:46:06
- Christ, was he watching? (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 17:45:43
- Pathetic over an hour playing against 10 men (NCFC) - hoolahan, Aug 24, 17:43:51
  - He had the luxury of a half team talk (NCFC) - talbotsunbeamer, Aug 24, 17:49:01
- we didn't looked like scoring (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 17:41:12
  - first 10 minutes we did (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 17:42:02
We lost away to a team of comparable quality. That is all. (n/m) (NCFC) - asics_kit, Aug 24, 17:32:03
- What a load of ol squit! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 24, 17:37:37
- potd shirley? (n/m) (NCFC) - private pike, Aug 24, 17:36:09
- Comparable is a bit much ... (NCFC) - loz, Aug 24, 17:34:16
- Comparable quality with 10 men (n/m) (NCFC) - andross, Aug 24, 17:33:30
- comparable how lol (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 17:33:14
  - Delusional too, you're doing we'll! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 24, 17:50:38
  - Because teams never lose with 10 men? At home. Grow up. (n/m) (NCFC) - asics_kit, Aug 24, 17:35:34
    - comparable quality.... (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 17:37:28
Canary call is painful today. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 17:15:34
Positives today? None. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 17:13:49
I would not be sorry to see the back of Hughton (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 24, 17:07:10
- That pretty much sums it up for me too... (n/m) (NCFC) - Occams_Razor, Aug 24, 17:20:49
- Too early to say but I will say that negative approaches... (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Aug 24, 17:10:17
  - BUt we don't have a negative approach... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 17:11:28
    - Am I being whooshed here? No understand (n/m) (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Aug 24, 17:13:06
  - I can't see things changing any time soon under Hughton (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 17:11:16
- we can't rely on beating the top teams again either (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 17:09:19
- Dont rate a manager who finished 11th? (n/m) (NCFC) - Chopper, Aug 24, 17:09:10
  - No. Should have finished more comfortably clear if relegation. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 24, 17:36:56
  - when we should have been safe by April... n/m (n/m) (NCFC) - SaveWithSammy, Aug 24, 17:09:56
  - It was a close run thing between that and 18th (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 17:09:52
  - what is there to rate lol (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 17:09:38
- Well said Jim (NCFC) - SaveWithSammy, Aug 24, 17:09:07
  - vmt (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Aug 24, 17:10:00
    - we finished 11th because we won our last 2 games... (NCFC) - colincanary, Aug 24, 17:12:05
      - Ah I see! So six points from the last two games is not (NCFC) - Chopper, Aug 24, 17:14:51
        
        Hoot hasn't got it. (NCFC) - SaveWithSammy, Aug 24, 17:25:29
      - and we played attacking football in those 2 games (NCFC) - SaveWithSammy, Aug 24, 17:14:06
Why do we continually line up so negatively away from home? (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 17:02:29
- because Hull are a top team. Houghton said so. (n/m) (NCFC) - Fozzie, Aug 24, 17:04:01
We can get one here (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:46:34
- we've been shit since for the last 80 minutes! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 16:47:25
- One. Should get all 3 points (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 24, 16:47:23
A long, dull season ahead under a manager who is good defensively (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 16:44:43
- the worst football i have seen us play since fulham (n/m) (NCFC) - fal5taff, Aug 24, 16:56:52
- Fuck off you Cunt!!! (n/m) (NCFC) - Norfolk un Way, Aug 24, 16:47:25
  - Twat (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 16:52:04
  - 4 central midfielders... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:51:00
Only just checked to score. FFS! Whats been the story of the game? (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Aug 24, 16:43:26
- very cautious team selection - 4 central midfielders (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:45:34
- they got a soft pen then had a man sent off (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Aug 24, 16:44:05
Am I right in thinking we have had one shot on goal this half? (NCFC) - Kev, Aug 24, 16:41:12
- no (n/m) (NCFC) - Huge Small, Aug 24, 16:42:22
- I can think of 4 (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Aug 24, 16:42:02
- No. Howson had two, tettey one and wolf (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 24, 16:41:52
  - Redmond as well (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:42:48
- Absolutely shocking (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Aug 24, 16:41:40
RvW looking frustrated up front... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:34:41
- Not surprising if he doesn't get the service! (n/m) (NCFC) - um_gah, Aug 24, 16:35:45
RvW one cross to head.....abysmal service. (n/m) (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, Aug 24, 16:32:33
- Almost like players refusing to pass to him (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Aug 24, 16:33:28
  - 17 touches in the first half... 5 touches so far in this one (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:35:46
Fer drops back and immediately looks good (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 24, 16:26:53
- So frustrating (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Aug 24, 16:27:51
  - embarrassing (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:29:37
Create chances for RvW and he looks good (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:26:40
44 fucking 2!!!! Is hoot ok?! (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Aug 24, 16:24:58
- interesting to see what he does now he has players he trusts on the bench (n/m) (NCFC) - scruffy, Aug 24, 16:26:00
  - we are losing... hence the changes (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:27:12
why wont garrido cross the ball? (n/m) (NCFC) - matgore, Aug 24, 16:21:44
- Olsson is a much better player.. (NCFC) - loz, Aug 24, 16:22:52
  - pace is only useful when playing on break (NCFC) - matgore, Aug 24, 16:24:48
  - he should have started (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:24:36
Super Chrissy Martin and James not good enough Vaughan scoring (n/m) (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Aug 24, 16:19:58
- ...in the Championship (n/m) (NCFC) - King, Aug 24, 16:20:31
  - Indeed but goals nevertheless... (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Aug 24, 16:21:28
    - Maybe we should have kept both of them and not bothered with RvW or Hooper (n/m) (NCFC) - King, Aug 24, 16:22:33
      - Yes, yes that's the way to do it (n/m) (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Aug 24, 16:24:12
        
        We could have RvP up top and he would struggle to get into double figures (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:25:25
Vaughan hat-trick (n/m) (Other Football) - chuftncfc, Aug 24, 16:18:56
- The move to Huddersfield has worked out really well for him (n/m) (Other Football) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:20:37
Nice effort Howson... he can look quite good when attacking (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:18:43
Howson in the hole and Fer in central midfield maybe?? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:13:14
- Too logical for hughton. (n/m) (NCFC) - oli470, Aug 24, 16:13:43
- Yes, yes, yes (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Aug 24, 16:13:41
wish redmond would try crossing instead of cutting in and shooting (n/m) (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, Aug 24, 16:08:36
- mixing it up a bit would be nice... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:09:36
  - yep (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 16:14:02
    - hopefully come as he matures (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 16:14:31
Redmond looks like he might be a very frustrating player (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:08:25
Finally.. a team without Johnson (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Aug 24, 16:05:02
- its beyond time that Johnson was a name never mentioned (NCFC) - fal5taff, Aug 24, 16:09:02
- Yes! (NCFC) - Hit Squadie, Aug 24, 16:08:42
- With the signing of Fer, BJ should be out of the First XI (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:06:34
anyone think we can still win or get a point from this? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 16:00:38
- I think we will win (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 16:03:47
- Should still be able to get a good result (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Aug 24, 16:02:52
- Nope no chance. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Aug 24, 16:02:37
- Yes, i'll go for 1-1 (n/m) (NCFC) - talbotsunbeamer, Aug 24, 16:02:31
- Only if Hoots changes formation and players (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Splat, Aug 24, 16:01:48
  - Which he'll do with about 5 minutes left (n/m) (NCFC) - Fozzybear, Aug 24, 16:03:57
- We should still win this need... (NCFC) - loz, Aug 24, 16:01:37
  - i just want some attempts on goal at the moment (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 16:02:31
    - even though we're winning the possession game? (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 16:03:19
- of course we can (n/m) (NCFC) - earlydoors, Aug 24, 16:01:31
Fer should be lining up alongside either Johnson or Tettey in midfield (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:53:15
- Shape obviously wrong (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, Aug 24, 15:56:25
- agreed - too many players down the middle of the pitch for us (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Aug 24, 15:54:16
- ^^^ this was obvious all Pre season (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Aug 24, 15:53:58
defensive, clueless, no one taking responsibility, static, flatfooted, zero creativity (n/m) (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, Aug 24, 15:50:38
- redmond creating (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 15:51:22
  - Creating ... But not looking like scoring (n/m) (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, Aug 24, 16:01:10
  - every time cuts in for his right foot.... all a bit predictable. nothing down the right. (n/m) (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, Aug 24, 15:52:52
    - true (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 15:54:01
  - Redmond looks good, the only one (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:52:10
our midfield look flatfooted and only pass backwards, we have no width. (n/m) (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, Aug 24, 15:42:41
- Redmond plays so far inside. we have no left wing (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:44:49
Dreadful pass from Garrido (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:41:15
An extra man and we still look 2nd best. (n/m) (NCFC) - Lardyboy, Aug 24, 15:38:10
- Mind you, we're not as shit as the twat in black. (n/m) (NCFC) - Lardyboy, Aug 24, 15:40:59
- Poor team selection.... 3 defensive central midfielders + Howson (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:39:46
We need to make the extra man count quickly (NCFC) - Kev, Aug 24, 15:35:21
- Looks more like we are down to 10 men right now... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:37:33
Our play is cramped... Redmond drifts inside he is almost central at times (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:34:14
This is a job for Snod and Wes (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 24, 15:33:14
- not wes, was dreadful last week (n/m) (NCFC) - earlydoors, Aug 24, 15:33:52
  - Both Howson and BJ lost possession more often than Wes last week (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:34:50
  - Written off after one game? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 15:34:49
    - no, just would prefer snod and elmander (n/m) (NCFC) - earlydoors, Aug 24, 15:36:01
Come on, gotta win this now (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:27:31
The thing I don't understand is... (NCFC) - Dog, Aug 24, 15:25:45
- It doesn't help that the likes of BJ, Tettey and Howson aren't great passers (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:27:02
Clumsy defending (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:21:15
- Again (n/m) (NCFC) - Coventry Yellow, Aug 24, 15:21:32
  - Charlie Nicholas says harsh... (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Aug 24, 15:23:36
Hull's passing/technique/control is woefully bad at times (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Aug 24, 15:13:39
- Livermore showed his shooting prowess.... dire (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:16:43
good effort but maybe play it wide (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 15:10:36
- ?3m for Redmond.... What a bargain. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:11:34
  - Should be able to afford a better haircut then (n/m) (NCFC) - King, Aug 24, 15:13:24
Hull are there for the taking (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:09:07
Look dangerous here, just need Wolf to know where the ball is! (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Aug 24, 15:08:53
- has he touched it yet? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 15:09:41
  - stop fucking moaning. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 24, 15:11:27
    - was a question not a whinge lol (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 15:11:50
  - Ball hit his back heel from Howson cross, if he was a bit sharper he would've been in (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Aug 24, 15:11:23
- looking good right now (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:09:32
Fer should have buried that (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 15:03:43
I would expect Hull to attack us today, seeing as we are one of the few teams they can (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Aug 24, 14:44:43
- I think Houghton prefes this sitting and waiting for the opportunities to get goals (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:49:18
  - See, I can understand why we're doing it (in an attacking sense) this season (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Aug 24, 14:52:18
    - perhaps that's what Hughton was trying to move us towards as a club (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:53:54
      - Looks like it (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Aug 24, 14:58:01
- The one thing we do look today is a pretty powerful, athletic unit (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 24, 14:47:38
  - What you describe is very Stoke (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:48:31
  - Stoke esque (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Aug 24, 14:48:00
We won't play Fer and Howson in support of RvW (NCFC) - bjg123, Aug 24, 14:36:38
- didn't we have a go tail end of last season? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:40:15
- Nothing Hughton has ever done suggests things will (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 24, 14:39:30
  - Didn't Einstein famously say this once: (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:48:03
  - Too much being made of spending changing tactics (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 14:41:04
- It will be exactly the same formation as usual (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:38:47
  - haha, yes (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 24, 14:44:26
  - (or left wing) (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:43:37
- Huh........comparing last season with this......... (NCFC) - usacanary, Aug 24, 14:38:34
- Well said (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 14:38:13
- Oh well. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Aug 24, 14:37:47
- we'll see (NCFC) - matt in london, Aug 24, 14:37:45
What's all the whinging about ? It's more attacking than I thought - I expected (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 24, 14:33:01
- PS: Neither Howson nor Fer are defensive midfielders by trade (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 24, 14:33:17
  - Olsson Left Wing - Redmond Right Wing. Problem solved.... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:34:59
Can't understand for the life of me why olsson isn't starting on the wing. (n/m) (NCFC) - oli470, Aug 24, 14:31:43
- Olsson Left Wing - Redmond Right Wing. Problem solved.... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:34:11
Leroy Fer (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:28:51
- Hopefully a new andy townsend,who was great for us,even if he is a plum. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 24, 14:31:27
  - now he IS a massive cunt (n/m) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Aug 24, 14:33:02
    - Vimto (n/m) (NCFC) - Drinklebells, Aug 24, 14:37:29
- I wonder who will be dumped out wide right? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:30:14
- Thanks for letting us know. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Aug 24, 14:30:09
  - you're welcome (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:31:47
Hoots cant win......... (NCFC) - usacanary, Aug 24, 14:27:53
- Innit. Everyone's an expert. No problem with that though as long (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 24, 14:30:42
  - Hate it when people on a football forum discuss their team (n/m) (NCFC) - earlydoors, Aug 24, 14:33:17
    - Exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 24, 14:34:01
- unless he gets us relegated in a really bad way (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:30:13
- Very well paid job tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 24, 14:30:02
- fans discuss team selection shocker.... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:29:38
  - tbf you do tend to look for the cloud that goes with any silver lining ;o) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Aug 24, 14:32:01
    - true, hopefully we hammer them today (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:45:30
    - spot on! (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:37:44
Key for me today is the full backs providing width (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 24, 14:26:06
- exactly my thoughts (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:31:14
- this lineup rings of Stoke away last season... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:27:41
  - with Fer, Redmond and RvW added to the mix (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Aug 24, 14:32:45
  - Oh well. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 24, 14:28:30
    - lol (n/m) (NCFC) - Huge Small, Aug 24, 14:30:25
What is with that team? (NCFC) - 51eve, Aug 24, 14:22:30
- Let's be fair, none of us know how good Fer is and what he can do. (NCFC) - lurd, Aug 24, 14:26:43
- We will probably learn today that one of our players is no right winger (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 24, 14:23:36
  - Prob Fer on the right (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Aug 24, 14:26:18
  - Well, we know that already (n/m) (NCFC) - 51eve, Aug 24, 14:26:00