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- So covid aside are these injuries because we are … (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 22:02:21
- C) bad luck? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 22:03:11
- I reckon it is nearly always C (n/m) (NCFC) - matt in london, Dec 14, 22:29:55
- D) We've signed a load of injury prone players (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Dec 14, 22:06:14
- On the brightside Byrum survived 45 minutes (probably it for the season though) (n/m) (NCFC) - Saucerer, Dec 14, 23:38:24
- C) bad luck? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 22:03:11
- Would the team we had out tonight have won a championship match? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 22:01:40
- Yes they would (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Dec 14, 23:21:02
- Yes (n/m) (NCFC) - Biggles, Dec 14, 22:17:19
- I thought Villa were decent (n/m) (NCFC) - revsimon, Dec 14, 22:08:42
- Was PP looking so sharp (A) A good thing? (B) Evidence of a bad thing? (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 14, 21:51:17
- He’s much improved, but are we perhaps over doing it a bit? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:52:42
- He’s been very good two games running trouble is … (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 21:52:19
- Still not even slightly convinced it was Farke who was the problem (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 14, 21:49:15
- Smith has brought some good things (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 14, 22:55:06
- I think that too. I’m finding this a hard old season 🥺 (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Dec 14, 22:26:37
- Smith has still made them better defensively. (n/m) (NCFC) - Biggles, Dec 14, 22:18:15
- And can make effective mid-game changes (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Dec 14, 22:19:49
- Bit of both (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 14, 22:06:10
- Smith is getting more out of them than Farke did. Even tonight we were still (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 21:54:54
- Smith has improved us without doubt we don't have enough (NCFC) - Whyohwhy, Dec 14, 21:51:32
- Smith's had the new manager impact (NCFC) - phrankin, Dec 14, 21:54:00
- I don't think Farke was the only problem - we clearly don't have a strong squad... (NCFC) - AstroCanary, Dec 14, 21:50:36
- I think it’s possible there were two problems (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:50:01
- tonight was the worst performance of the season for me (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 14, 21:52:06
- Chelsea away was worse and so was Leeds at home for me (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:54:23
- Possibly- but it was half a team (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 14, 21:53:39
- Chelsea away surely (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 21:52:48
- tonight was the worst performance of the season for me (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 14, 21:52:06
- People need to cut the players some slack tonight (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Dec 14, 21:47:34
- Hmm. Was still poor (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 14, 22:07:35
- Bollocks!! (NCFC) - Greenghost, Dec 14, 22:04:30
- Silly billy (n/m) (NCFC) - Boyer, Dec 14, 22:51:03
- Yeah you’re right… (NCFC) - Greenghost, Dec 14, 22:58:01
- Silly billy (n/m) (NCFC) - Boyer, Dec 14, 22:51:03
- Yup (n/m) (NCFC) - AstroCanary, Dec 14, 21:54:06
- I agree (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 14, 21:51:24
- Not sure we could have done much better really (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:48:58
- Yea not Todd skulking down the tunnel though (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 21:48:18
- Might have needed a wee? (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 14, 21:54:41
- Yeah, that wasn’t good. (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Dec 14, 21:50:20
- He came back and was on the bench whose to say he wasn'tnt ill (NCFC) - Whyohwhy, Dec 14, 21:49:32
- Was he unwell? He did come back out again (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:49:23
- I understand it. He's frustrated probably at himself more than anything. (NCFC) - stanleh, Dec 14, 21:49:21
- Normann,milot,Hanley,kabak,AndyO,tzolis, rupp,sargent (NCFC) - stanleh, Dec 14, 21:46:41
- Yep (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 14, 21:52:22
- Yes, indeed (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:47:22
- Could have played all night (NCFC) - bullsch, Dec 14, 21:45:40
- Too right! (NCFC) - Greenghost, Dec 14, 23:00:39
- I hope we don’t. Get it called off. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 21:50:04
- I reckon we’d have got at least one (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:47:54
- Could only have got one (NCFC) - Farkeball, Dec 14, 21:49:03
- In that case I’d like to revise my estimate…. (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:56:16
- 😂 (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 21:57:37
- In that case I’d like to revise my estimate…. (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:56:16
- Could only have got one (NCFC) - Farkeball, Dec 14, 21:49:03
- Try and get Saturday cancelled surely ?? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 21:43:09
- Yes although tonight was the final nail in the coffin. Ain’t getting 10 wins from here (n/m) (NCFC) - thirsty work, Dec 14, 21:46:50
- Don’t think we have enough missing with covid? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:44:47
- How many do you need? We’ve got 4/5 haven’t we? (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 21:48:25
- Let’s lie!! (n/m) (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Dec 14, 21:46:11
- Or get the players to hug all the fans after the game (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 21:47:55
- Man City v Leeds score made me smile a smidge, at least (n/m) (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:42:34
- Blimey!!! Just seen it (n/m) (Other Football) - trafford_canary, Dec 14, 21:45:42
- Leeds are in trouble without question (Other Football) - JoeyDeacon, Dec 14, 21:45:00
- Got them "back where they belong". I think this season has come as a surprise (Other Football) - trafford_canary, Dec 14, 21:47:51
- How do they look so much physically stronger than us? (NCFC) - Bonjour, Dec 14, 21:40:34
- To be fair most of our physical players are missing (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 21:48:51
- Big weights, low reps and necking shitloads of protein (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 14, 21:43:04
- Idah does (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:46:30
- Zimbo does (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 21:44:57
- No cakes or chocolate (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 14, 21:41:24
- Difficult with Delia in at HT & FT with a the triple choc chip muffins. (n/m) (NCFC) - gameon, Dec 14, 21:51:45
- As no surprise (n/m) (NCFC) - Bonjour, Dec 14, 21:41:23
- Webber identified the need for athletes last time (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:41:21
- Placheta one of the few who showed tonite. (n/m) (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Dec 14, 21:44:54
- Another of this is down to Webber..his piss poor recruitment (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Dec 14, 21:42:46
- And Normann and Kabak on loan. Pretty strong players when not injured (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 21:42:34
- 😂 yes, and rashica to be fair (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:44:11
- Looked dangerous tonight. Ran at them and crossing etc (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 21:45:22
- Dangerous perhaps pushing it a bit (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:45:53
- Looked dangerous tonight. Ran at them and crossing etc (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 21:45:22
- 😂 yes, and rashica to be fair (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:44:11
- I feared the worst. Got better footballers than us who are highly organised & motivated (NCFC) - JD3, Dec 14, 21:38:34
- While that may be, the injury list meant we had little chance (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:39:21
- Yeah. Normann and Rashica huge misses. Frustrating. (n/m) (NCFC) - JD3, Dec 14, 21:51:29
- While that may be, the injury list meant we had little chance (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:39:21
- We have so little quality, it’s embarrassing. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Dec 14, 21:38:32
- We have more than this (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:39:42
- Cantwell off to a good start with the new gaffer then (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 21:06:31
- Better second half. At least appeared to be trying (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:06:58
- Yep. But obviously looked pissed off for being subbed. Something’s not right (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 21:07:28
- Better second half. At least appeared to be trying (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 21:06:58
- Funny thing is…. (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:43:47
- I’d honestly accept £5 million + large sell on offer for Cantwell (NCFC) - delia_s, Dec 14, 20:39:08
- I'd pay 5 million to see him go, he's utterly useless (n/m) (NCFC) - norfolk_terrier, Dec 14, 20:58:38
- The sell on is pointless (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:40:42
- Such a different premier league player to a few seasons ago (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 20:40:26
- Webber knew and tried to sell him (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Dec 14, 20:42:15
- Not sure there’s ever really been any serious bidders, have there? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:44:21
- The Farke style of play really suited him (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:41:55
- Offers nothing at all except a coin toss chance at a dangerous free kick (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 14, 20:44:14
- Webber knew and tried to sell him (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Dec 14, 20:42:15
- I'd drive him there myself (NCFC) - LowestoftBoy, Dec 14, 20:40:09
- For someone fighting for his place he just looks lazy (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 20:39:38
- Credit to Lungi and Williams (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanary, Dec 14, 20:38:42
- I’m not sure what for? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:39:52
- Really bad decision to bring Williams back in (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 14, 20:45:32
- He's got no help at all on that side. Todd woeful (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanary, Dec 14, 20:47:11
- Really bad decision to bring Williams back in (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 14, 20:45:32
- I’m not sure what for? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:39:52
- Players booed off. Welcome to Norwich Dean (n/m) (NCFC) - thirsty work, Dec 14, 20:35:36
- Yeah I always get a pat on the back when I fuck up. (NCFC) - Men without hats, Dec 14, 20:37:55
- They deserve a boo after that effort frankly. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 20:36:18
- I didn’t really see any lack of effort (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:43:07
- Villa just a far better team Jim and it’s Norwich reserves tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 20:38:43
- They arent very good. Just pressing our full backs and we have no answer (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 20:39:57
- You literally say that about everyone 😂 (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 20:47:43
- They have much better shape (NCFC) - Jester, Dec 14, 20:43:19
- They arent very good. Just pressing our full backs and we have no answer (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 20:39:57
- Could see this coming a mile off. No physicality lots of crucial (NCFC) - stanleh, Dec 14, 20:32:06
- Agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:34:00
- They look a million times more up for it than United did (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 20:34:24
- Agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:34:00
- This is just awful to watch. Even with the injuries/covid the energy levels are woeful (n/m) (NCFC) - Kev, Dec 14, 20:31:11
- Yes the covid/injuries not really an excuse for this (so far) no show but (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 20:32:30
- Of course they are Villa are a very good side and we are … (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 20:33:14
- Villa have got our number. (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:38:27
- Of course they are Villa are a very good side and we are … (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 20:33:14
- Yes the covid/injuries not really an excuse for this (so far) no show but (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 20:32:30
- Got to find a way to push their full backs back into their half (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:30:01
- badly missing Sargent or Rashica (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Dec 14, 20:30:53
- And Normann for bossing the midfield (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 20:31:40
- badly missing Sargent or Rashica (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Dec 14, 20:30:53
- They’re more athletic than us, and better at football (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:27:07
- Gilmour and Todd very poor playing with no midfield (n/m) (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Dec 14, 20:28:01
- There isn’t actually a single player in our team that would get in theirs, is there? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:28:26
- Gilmour and Todd very poor playing with no midfield (n/m) (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Dec 14, 20:28:01
- Gilmour at fault and didn't track back (n/m) (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Dec 14, 20:19:53
- Gilmour gave it away, but the ball has travelled 2/3rds of the pitch…. (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:21:24
- Like a different team. He needs to change the wide players here and (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 20:13:25
- In terms of energy, Villa are miles ahead of Man U. Much harder to play against (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 20:19:44
- Williams is a great player but we miss the Dimi outlet (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 20:14:05
- Williams has to cut back inside all the time, slows it down (n/m) (NCFC) - DH Yellow, Dec 14, 20:16:08
- Dimi on for Todd our pressing game (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 20:14:37
- Agreed. Todd looks miles off it again (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 14, 20:17:52
- Is nowhere (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 20:14:54
- Any chance of decent quality small narrow rivers tonight? (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 14, 17:10:10
- Given it's on BT Sport, I would expect so (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 17:12:50
- Changes tonight ?…. (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 14:27:42
- Sorensen please (n/m) (NCFC) - Duck, Dec 14, 14:46:50
- I'm finding it v hard to understand (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 14, 15:07:05
- Posted down there 👇… (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 15:34:29
- unlike tettmeister? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 14, 16:30:52
- I think his problem might be that he is safe and competent in pretty much any (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, Dec 14, 15:30:04
- Posted down there 👇… (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 15:34:29
- I hope he finds a place for him (n/m) (NCFC) - Wild Edric, Dec 14, 14:50:36
- Bailey seems to think at prem level … (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 15:33:42
- Bailey seems to think at prem level … (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 15:06:35
- I can see that (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 14, 15:24:59
- I reckon it'll be Dimi / Gibson / Kabak / Max so he'll drop back to the bench (n/m) (NCFC) - Wild Edric, Dec 14, 15:08:57
- I'm finding it v hard to understand (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 14, 15:07:05
- Harsh on Dimi, he was great (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 14:36:41
- It seems to me that whichever of them comes back in after an absence has an outstanding (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, Dec 14, 15:27:44
- Smith has certainly given us (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 14, 16:33:24
- Is that a bit harsh on williams? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 14, 15:55:30
- Yea Dimi was great was more a … (NCFC) - loz, Dec 14, 14:40:07
- Could you play both? Dimi with Williams behind (n/m) (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Dec 14, 14:44:44
- It seems to me that whichever of them comes back in after an absence has an outstanding (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, Dec 14, 15:27:44
- Changes now (NCFC) - NxNW, Dec 14, 14:34:41
- Let's leave Dimi in (n/m) (NCFC) - Adster, Dec 14, 14:34:38
- Sorensen please (n/m) (NCFC) - Duck, Dec 14, 14:46:50
- Thinking about it, I'd put Lungi man to man on Emi (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 13, 14:00:23
- Don’t we come up against someone at least as good as him most games? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 13, 18:35:44
- Yes, but not many play a 10 these days (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 13, 18:59:32
- McGinn probably more of a threat than Emi (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 13, 17:24:51
- Need to get him booked early on (NCFC) - MonkeyPuzzle, Dec 13, 16:29:17
- And a few niggly taps of his ankles early on so emi gets angry like we know he can (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Dec 13, 15:34:13
- And will have trained with Emi so knows his little tricks (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 13, 14:22:05
- I don't quite get why he appears so bitter. Norwich gave him a terrific platform to prem (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 13, 14:33:38
- Where’s the bitterness? All I’ve seen is Webber’s comments… (NCFC) - APB, Dec 13, 15:30:26
- I thought 'I'll never play for Norwich again' a bit bitter, otherwise why say it? (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 13, 15:46:59
- I think that’s what agents tell them to say nowadays. It forces the move (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 13, 17:08:10
- Sad they listen so much to agents I reckon although different world as a player these days (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 13, 17:38:41
- I think that’s what agents tell them to say nowadays. It forces the move (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Dec 13, 17:08:10
- I thought 'I'll never play for Norwich again' a bit bitter, otherwise why say it? (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 13, 15:46:59
- He thrives on recovery of lost pride and his revenge xG is incredible (n/m) (NCFC) - MIKEWALKER, Dec 13, 15:20:40
- Sounds a potential roundabout contender in that case. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 13, 15:28:40
- Where’s the bitterness? All I’ve seen is Webber’s comments… (NCFC) - APB, Dec 13, 15:30:26
- I don't quite get why he appears so bitter. Norwich gave him a terrific platform to prem (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 13, 14:33:38
- Don’t we come up against someone at least as good as him most games? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 13, 18:35:44
- After reading lots of comments from pundits ,experts and others, my thoughts (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 13, 09:29:45
- The arguement that "any" didn't mean "all" in the context of that reg is daft as well (Other Sports) - megson, Dec 13, 12:39:54
- I don’t see how you can interpret the wording (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 13, 12:45:01
- Agree, it clearly means all of them, there has to be changes to that now. (Other Sports) - megson, Dec 13, 12:54:12
- I don’t see how you can interpret the wording (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 13, 12:45:01
- From my limited knowledge Lewis was in a no win (Other Sports) - DiscoDale, Dec 13, 11:01:34
- Not sure about brown envelopes, Williams are a Merc customer aren't they? (n/m) (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 11:03:47
- Sorry but two things wrong with this thread (Other Sports) - Ruttles, Dec 13, 10:46:38
- Thanks for that info, I did not know the pit lane had closed (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 13, 13:44:13
- Only solution to this (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 13, 10:13:18
- Sounds like Cars (n/m) (Other Sports) - Highway, Dec 13, 18:35:23
- *20/20/20 (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 13, 10:13:44
- Go karts round Red Lodge (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:16:53
- Funny Cars at Santa Pod (n/m) (Other Sports) - Augustus Pablo, Dec 13, 10:33:10
- Fight in Sumo Fat Suits. Best of three. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Old Man, Dec 13, 11:26:49
- Funny Cars at Santa Pod (n/m) (Other Sports) - Augustus Pablo, Dec 13, 10:33:10
- Go karts round Red Lodge (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:16:53
- The title of race director has never been more apt (Other Sports) - Ben, Dec 13, 10:13:11
- There’s no fairness. It’s an unpopular concept these days sadly 😕 (n/m) (Other Sports) - NorskyNormann, Dec 13, 12:09:35
- I blame Netflix (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:14:38
- For me, the main question is what is the role of the race director? (Too many words) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 13, 10:07:50
- There's no way that Max would have got past Lewis if the lapped cars hadn't un-lapped (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 09:36:59
- He had two options (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 13, 10:00:11
- Yep, agreed. I think Mercedes ought to take it as far as necessary until it is resolved (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 10:07:04
- The pickle the FIA is in is that (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 13, 09:46:11
- Yes, but in reality this decision would never have been made at any other time in the race (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 13, 10:10:26
- Absolutely - based upon Masi's evidence as per the stewards' decision, he seemingly (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 09:57:04
- He had two options (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 13, 10:00:11
- Wrong if Lewis pitted he would have given up track position (n/m) (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 13, 09:33:36
- If he had pittted then RB wouldn’t have done (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 13, 09:40:44
- I had forgotten about that first lap incident, as you say so many "ifs" (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 13, 09:51:28
- sorry, what I meant was Max pits first then Lewis pits. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 13, 09:49:44
- He didn't have time, would still have lost track position (n/m) (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 09:51:36
- would he have lost track position to Max if they both pitted under safety car? (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 13, 09:54:19
- Lewis was ahead. If he had pitted, Max would have stayed out (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:03:32
- Having said that, Max's tyres would then have been the old ones (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:07:14
- No team would ever voluntarily give up track position though (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 13, 10:18:02
- I think he means if Lewis had pitted on the next lap after Max (n/m) (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 10:08:18
- Wasn't time was there? (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:14:54
- This is about the full SC at the end I think, Lewis could have pitted on the lap after Max (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 10:17:57
- Wasn't time was there? (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:14:54
- Having said that, Max's tyres would then have been the old ones (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:07:14
- Yes, because after pitting under the SC Max was then able to drive faster than Lewis as (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 09:58:18
- Lewis was ahead. If he had pitted, Max would have stayed out (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 13, 10:03:32
- would he have lost track position to Max if they both pitted under safety car? (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 13, 09:54:19
- He didn't have time, would still have lost track position (n/m) (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 13, 09:51:36
- Yea just sporting integrity wise rules are rules … (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 13, 09:42:51
- If he had pittted then RB wouldn’t have done (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 13, 09:40:44
- The arguement that "any" didn't mean "all" in the context of that reg is daft as well (Other Sports) - megson, Dec 13, 12:39:54
- would this work in F1, to get rid of the safety car. (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 19:52:14
- You need a giant snooker referee to reposition the cars (Other Sports) - MonkeyPuzzle, Dec 12, 23:23:41
- WWII vvvv 😉 (n/m) (Other Sports) - McGill, Dec 12, 23:56:46
- Pretty dull to watch. At least safety cars bring a little bit of excitement (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 12, 20:09:34
- No, the tyres wouldn’t work (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 19:53:28
- Thats why the driver would have to be careful for a lap (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 19:59:56
- Yes, they’d have slick tyres on (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 20:00:41
- sorr, what I mean was are cool slicks similar to running wets in the rain (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 20:02:02
- No, more like driving on ice (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 20:03:42
- that would be a good test of their skill! (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 20:04:56
- Point of a safety car is to reduce risk not add it! (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 20:12:40
- yes, it would be impossible to get the cars back to their relative positions (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 20:14:18
- Would it? Surely you just take the time difference, adjust it downwards to (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 20:37:12
- Can't they do it like snooker ? (Other Sports) - McGill, Dec 12, 20:39:10
- Would it? Surely you just take the time difference, adjust it downwards to (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 20:37:12
- yes, it would be impossible to get the cars back to their relative positions (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 20:14:18
- Point of a safety car is to reduce risk not add it! (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 20:12:40
- that would be a good test of their skill! (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 20:04:56
- No, more like driving on ice (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 20:03:42
- sorr, what I mean was are cool slicks similar to running wets in the rain (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 20:02:02
- Yes, they’d have slick tyres on (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 20:00:41
- Thats why the driver would have to be careful for a lap (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 19:59:56
- You need a giant snooker referee to reposition the cars (Other Sports) - MonkeyPuzzle, Dec 12, 23:23:41
- Result stands court of arbitration next ? (n/m) (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 19:08:37
- This is going to make some lawyers very rich (Other Sports) - Old Git, Dec 12, 20:22:32
- Nice gig for the wig jockey they took over with them (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 20:25:24
- I suppose it depends how much money is tied up in the championship and (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 20:40:13
- “Couple of hundred grand” (Other Sports) - Old Git, Dec 12, 21:47:46
- *strikes OG off list of potential advisors* (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 22:02:56
- In real life though (Other Sports) - Old Git, Dec 12, 22:40:08
- *strikes OG off list of potential advisors* (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 22:02:56
- “Couple of hundred grand” (Other Sports) - Old Git, Dec 12, 21:47:46
- and the big dollar is in the constructors championship (Other Sports) - Tombs, Dec 12, 20:38:11
- Yes, prestige-wise very much the other way round (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 20:41:20
- that's pretty much media driven by stoking nationalism (Other Sports) - Tombs, Dec 12, 21:09:55
- Yes, prestige-wise very much the other way round (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 20:41:20
- I suppose it depends how much money is tied up in the championship and (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 20:40:13
- I love the smell of barristers in the morning… (Other Sports) - Under soil heating, Dec 12, 20:23:31
- Nice gig for the wig jockey they took over with them (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 20:25:24
- Masi was basically given Hobson’s choice. (Other Sports) - Ruttles, Dec 12, 20:01:04
- Eh? (Other Sports) - Timmy_Goat, Dec 12, 20:34:30
- But one results in the deserved winner winning and the other doesn’t. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 20:29:30
- In your scenario 1, what would red bull be appealing exactly? (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 20:01:53
- That the lapped cars hadn’t been allowed to un lap themselves. (Other Sports) - Ruttles, Dec 12, 20:17:09
- But they took that risk when they ‘chose’ to pit (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 20:21:37
- The team radio commentary basically had Horner demanding that Masi ordered unlapping (Other Sports) - Ruttles, Dec 12, 20:36:30
- And Toto was telling him earlier not to deploy a SC (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 20:55:45
- I think one was asking the other demanding. (Other Sports) - Ruttles, Dec 12, 21:15:51
- Or one was interfering with safety decisions, the other just racing positions (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 22:08:20
- I think one was asking the other demanding. (Other Sports) - Ruttles, Dec 12, 21:15:51
- And Toto was telling him earlier not to deploy a SC (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 20:55:45
- The team radio commentary basically had Horner demanding that Masi ordered unlapping (Other Sports) - Ruttles, Dec 12, 20:36:30
- But they took that risk when they ‘chose’ to pit (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 20:21:37
- That the lapped cars hadn’t been allowed to un lap themselves. (Other Sports) - Ruttles, Dec 12, 20:17:09
- It is an utter farce. (Other Sports) - Old Man, Dec 12, 19:24:12
- Totally devalues Max's world champion status imho (Other Sports) - Timmy_Goat, Dec 12, 19:47:25
- Just another reason to cancel my Sky subscription (Other Sports) - Ben, Dec 12, 19:22:00
- You don’t watch the football at all? (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 12, 19:28:04
- Only our matches (Other Sports) - Ben, Dec 12, 19:49:52
- I’m the same actually (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 19:51:20
- Only our matches (Other Sports) - Ben, Dec 12, 19:49:52
- Blub! (n/m) (Other Sports) - Dog, Dec 12, 19:27:15
- You don’t watch the football at all? (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 12, 19:28:04
- Seems they are falling back on the argument you suggested CWC (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 19:09:43
- It’s a total farce (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 19:39:10
- Oh and I don’t see any point in a higher appeal (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 19:39:51
- I think the whole safety car rule needs looking at (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 19:46:18
- Hamilton could easily have won 10 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 19:49:23
- I think the whole safety car rule needs looking at (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 19:46:18
- Oh and I don’t see any point in a higher appeal (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 19:39:51
- Not sure there is any point (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 19:19:39
- Appeal not court of appeal. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 19:13:37
- It’s a total farce (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 19:39:10
- This is going to make some lawyers very rich (Other Sports) - Old Git, Dec 12, 20:22:32
- Did Max pass Lewis behind the safety car when Lewis was backing him up? I think it was (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 12, 15:56:07
- If he did, and it looks like he probably did based on the on car view….. (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:34:07
- One of Mercedes complaints I believe (n/m) (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 15:58:44
- There’s no way they will intervene in the result (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:11:08
- The regulation seems clear to me. They misapplied it. (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:31:14
- Nope, 48.13 overrules it (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 16:45:49
- The only power to let untapped cars back through is 48.12 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:00:50
- What stops it? (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:10:25
- The only argument I can see…. (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:15:42
- I don’t think 48.12 is prescriptive though (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 18:21:11
- If he wanted the race to play out then he should have red flagged … (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 18:31:19
- Well I won’t disagree it was a barmy set of decisions (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 18:35:48
- If he wanted the race to play out then he should have red flagged … (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 18:31:19
- Sorry for typos! (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:17:09
- Don’t think it’s redundant in that it then applies in the “following lap” (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:35:38
- Yes, that’s fair, but the timing of when it comes in is set in 48.12 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:39:22
- I wonder if they could just be joint champions somehow? (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 18:02:26
- Yes, that’s fair, but the timing of when it comes in is set in 48.12 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:39:22
- Don’t think it’s redundant in that it then applies in the “following lap” (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:35:38
- I don’t think 48.12 is prescriptive though (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 18:21:11
- No it says “will be required to pass the leader” later in the Reg (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:11:41
- Where? I couldn’t see anything about It other than in 48 (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:54:44
- The only argument I can see…. (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:15:42
- What stops it? (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:10:25
- Don’t agree. 48.12 applies is lapped cars called through (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:51:47
- Nothing in the drafting that stops it (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:01:15
- Maybe but you have to apply the two together. 48.13 applies in (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:15:13
- Yes, either 48.12 is being applied, or it isn’t (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:22:36
- 48.12 is the only section that gives the race director the power to allow cars to unlap (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:07:21
- Maybe but you have to apply the two together. 48.13 applies in (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:15:13
- Nothing in the drafting that stops it (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:01:15
- The only power to let untapped cars back through is 48.12 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:00:50
- Yep. (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:33:01
- Nope, 48.13 overrules it (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 16:45:49
- Adds a further bit of drama though doesn't it. (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 12, 16:16:48
- Yep! I’m going to boycott F1 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:27:01
- I think there are plenty (sufficient) F1 fans that care about the integrity of the sport (n/m) (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 12, 16:19:05
- If the owners are all about ratings and drama (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:20:35
- Because the race was over once they ordered the lapped cars through (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:38:55
- It is, but I’ll bet you £10 to a charity of your choosing that they will! (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:41:47
- I think you are right to be honest (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:52:31
- I wonder though if Hamilton might intervene and say he doesn’t want it overturned (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:59:39
- I dunno - he was speaking as someone that wouldn’t have known the detail of the rules (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:01:52
- I wonder though if Hamilton might intervene and say he doesn’t want it overturned (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:59:39
- I think you are right to be honest (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:52:31
- It is, but I’ll bet you £10 to a charity of your choosing that they will! (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:41:47
- Yep this. (Other Sports) - Under soil heating, Dec 12, 16:28:08
- Yes, sad because no additional drama was required (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:29:47
- Though clearly Hamilton should have been made to give the place back on lap 1 (Other Sports) - earlydoors, Dec 12, 16:40:22
- Yes, sad because no additional drama was required (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:29:47
- Because the race was over once they ordered the lapped cars through (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:38:55
- If the owners are all about ratings and drama (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:20:35
- The regulation seems clear to me. They misapplied it. (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:31:14
- There’s no way they will intervene in the result (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:11:08
- Sky Sports say they understand Mercedes have lodge complaint/appeal (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 15:36:46
- i expect the decision to let the few cars overtake was checked and double checked (Other Sports) - Chris Peacock, Dec 12, 15:38:40
- I guess for next year all the rules must be 100% clear and no exceptions or (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 15:05:56
- Rules should ensure sporting integrity not just create manufactured excitement (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ben, Dec 12, 15:10:34
- You can tell the yanks are in charge (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 15:12:50
- Haha exactly what I just said to my brother. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 12, 15:15:45
- You can tell the yanks are in charge (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 15:12:50
- was never a handball tbf (Other Sports) - Charles21, Dec 12, 15:07:16
- the one from Gilmour's shot was, arm out in front of body (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 15:13:40
- Rules should ensure sporting integrity not just create manufactured excitement (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ben, Dec 12, 15:10:34
- My first race for a long long time (Other Sports) - Under soil heating, Dec 12, 14:55:30
- I think the rules are sh*t bit they also didn’t apply them right to try snd (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 15:00:52
- But then you have to do it for every SC (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 15:15:20
- It is a farce really. It's the rules, but they really should be changed (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 12, 15:03:39
- They didn’t follow the rules though that’s the point… (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 15:07:13
- you do have a good point about the gap. (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 15:03:29
- I've watched bits of the last 2 (Other Sports) - Charles21, Dec 12, 14:56:48
- Only end of season in the Middle East (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 15:01:55
- I think the rules are sh*t bit they also didn’t apply them right to try snd (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 15:00:52
- ignoring the rights and wrongs of what happened it was an exciting lap (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 14:46:49
- I'd watch that for sure (n/m) (Other Sports) - Charles21, Dec 12, 14:48:58
- With one on very old tyres and one on brand new? (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:47:40
- should have said both with new soft tyres (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 14:50:37
- In which case Hamilton would have pissed it (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:52:06
- Plenty of chances for Hamilton to upgrade tyres (Other Sports) - roedtonowhere, Dec 12, 14:59:10
- Why should they have to though? Just re start them in the correct positions at distances (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 15:02:33
- which would be fair enough (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 14:52:43
- Plenty of chances for Hamilton to upgrade tyres (Other Sports) - roedtonowhere, Dec 12, 14:59:10
- With shopping cart wheels (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 12, 14:51:10
- In which case Hamilton would have pissed it (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:52:06
- should have said both with new soft tyres (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 14:50:37
- What a load of bollocks….Hamilton won that race. (n/m) (Other Sports) - BINMEN8R, Dec 12, 14:43:39
- All lapped cars are supposed to be able to overtake not 5 … (General Chat) - loz, Dec 12, 14:42:03
- Rules are rules tho 🤷♂️ (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Dec 12, 14:42:44
- ? Isn’t the point that they weren’t followed? (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:43:11
- Correct (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Dec 12, 14:44:47
- He’s being ironic the rules were clearly not followed merc should sue (n/m) (General Chat) - loz, Dec 12, 14:43:52
- I suspect that's what he's inferring... (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Dec 12, 14:43:29
- Oh! Yes of course (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:44:17
- ? Isn’t the point that they weren’t followed? (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:43:11
- Rules are rules tho 🤷♂️ (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Dec 12, 14:42:44
- Can someone explain what's happened in the f1 in football terms (n/m) (General Chat) - Trent_Canary, Dec 12, 14:40:50
- A team was 2 up with 5 minutes to play, the ref scored two goals for them then (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 12, 14:46:24
- Max had 10 men sent off and was allowed to bring them back on (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Dec 12, 14:44:26
- I'm sure someone was offside when the ball was handled on the line whilst being fouled (General Chat) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 14:42:52
- A team were 2-0 up with a minute to go but someone in the crowd fell ill so they lost. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Dec 12, 14:42:44
- spooky (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Dec 12, 14:41:57
- VAR has awarded a penalty when there was a foul on the halfway line (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:41:41
- Stupid of Mercedes not to put fresh tyres on during safety car (n/m) (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Dec 12, 14:39:54
- Verstappen would've stayed out then (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 12, 14:41:55
- Reckon Lewis would have caught him on fresh tyres (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 12, 14:42:36
- Think the OP meant real safety car as opposed to virtual (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 12, 14:45:12
- But Max's tyres weren't that old either (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 12, 14:43:50
- Reckon Lewis would have caught him on fresh tyres (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 12, 14:42:36
- Not at all. The race should have ended under the safety car (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:40:14
- Be ridiculous to end the championship under safety car (n/m) (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Dec 12, 14:41:49
- It would have been considerably less ridiculous than what actually happened (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:45:39
- Be ridiculous to end the championship under safety car (n/m) (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Dec 12, 14:41:49
- Verstappen would've stayed out then (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 12, 14:41:55
- Michael masi has just won his first world title (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:39:39
- See you in Paris. bring lawyers (n/m) (Other Sports) - Chris Peacock, Dec 12, 14:41:51
- So bizarre he’d been schooled all race as well (n/m) (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 14:40:16
- if only all races were like that last lap. (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 14:37:25
- What, fixed? (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 14:47:22
- Bollocks (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:38:18
- max had already pitted. Regardless of who won it was brilliant driving by both. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Farkeball, Dec 12, 14:39:59
- There was literally no way Hamilton could have won that race (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:35:06
- And no way he was going to lose it before that farce (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 14:35:41
- Utter joke (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:34:05
- What an utter disgrace that was (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 14:33:25
- Joke from the fia (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:33:38
- Scandalous (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:33:10
- Have Mercedes just chucked this away? (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Dec 12, 13:59:45
- Safety car! Fuck! (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:22:03
- Lando now makes it 5 cars for verstappen to get through (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:18:37
- Gone from very comfortable to very uncomfortable (n/m) (Other Sports) - littletinyphil, Dec 12, 14:04:56
- I think they have (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 12, 14:03:58
- Can see hamiltons tyres going off a cliff last 5 laps (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:04:51
- Possibly (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 14:01:23
- My brother in law is on an all expenses paid trip to the race this weekend (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 13:44:50