The only argument I can see….
Is that Masi did something that wasn’t within 48.12 at all, and therefore the rest of the provisions of that section did not apply. But that would require him to have some other power to allow cars to un lap themselves.
in the absence of that, and on the assumption that 48.12 was being followed, it’s application is prescriptive, there’s no subjectivity. 48.13 can’t overrule 48.12, because the course of action is already determined under 48.12. I.e. as part of complying with the requirements of 48.12, the race director will have ordered the safety car to come in 1 lat after the last car to be untapped passes him. I can’t see where it says they “may” pass, I can only see it saying they are required to if the clerk of the course gives the order.
If you’re in 48.12, there is a requirement for all cars to unlap themselves, not just some of them.
48.13 is redundant at that stage.
Posted By: SimonOTBC on December 12th 2021 at 17:15:42
Message Thread
- Did Max pass Lewis behind the safety car when Lewis was backing him up? I think it was (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 12, 15:56:07
- If he did, and it looks like he probably did based on the on car view….. (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:34:07
- One of Mercedes complaints I believe (n/m) (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 15:58:44
- There’s no way they will intervene in the result (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:11:08
- The regulation seems clear to me. They misapplied it. (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:31:14
- Nope, 48.13 overrules it (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 16:45:49
- The only power to let untapped cars back through is 48.12 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:00:50
- What stops it? (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:10:25
- The only argument I can see…. (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:15:42
- I don’t think 48.12 is prescriptive though (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 18:21:11
- If he wanted the race to play out then he should have red flagged … (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 18:31:19
- Well I won’t disagree it was a barmy set of decisions (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 18:35:48
- If he wanted the race to play out then he should have red flagged … (Other Sports) - loz, Dec 12, 18:31:19
- Sorry for typos! (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:17:09
- Don’t think it’s redundant in that it then applies in the “following lap” (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:35:38
- Yes, that’s fair, but the timing of when it comes in is set in 48.12 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:39:22
- I wonder if they could just be joint champions somehow? (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 18:02:26
- Yes, that’s fair, but the timing of when it comes in is set in 48.12 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:39:22
- Don’t think it’s redundant in that it then applies in the “following lap” (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:35:38
- I don’t think 48.12 is prescriptive though (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 18:21:11
- No it says “will be required to pass the leader” later in the Reg (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:11:41
- Where? I couldn’t see anything about It other than in 48 (n/m) (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:54:44
- The only argument I can see…. (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:15:42
- What stops it? (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:10:25
- Don’t agree. 48.12 applies is lapped cars called through (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:51:47
- Nothing in the drafting that stops it (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:01:15
- Maybe but you have to apply the two together. 48.13 applies in (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:15:13
- Yes, either 48.12 is being applied, or it isn’t (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:22:36
- 48.12 is the only section that gives the race director the power to allow cars to unlap (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:07:21
- Maybe but you have to apply the two together. 48.13 applies in (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 17:15:13
- Nothing in the drafting that stops it (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 17:01:15
- The only power to let untapped cars back through is 48.12 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:00:50
- Yep. (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:33:01
- Nope, 48.13 overrules it (Other Sports) - CWC, Dec 12, 16:45:49
- Adds a further bit of drama though doesn't it. (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Dec 12, 16:16:48
- Yep! I’m going to boycott F1 (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:27:01
- I think there are plenty (sufficient) F1 fans that care about the integrity of the sport (n/m) (Other Sports) - NxNW, Dec 12, 16:19:05
- If the owners are all about ratings and drama (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:20:35
- Because the race was over once they ordered the lapped cars through (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:38:55
- It is, but I’ll bet you £10 to a charity of your choosing that they will! (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:41:47
- I think you are right to be honest (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:52:31
- I wonder though if Hamilton might intervene and say he doesn’t want it overturned (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:59:39
- I dunno - he was speaking as someone that wouldn’t have known the detail of the rules (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 17:01:52
- I wonder though if Hamilton might intervene and say he doesn’t want it overturned (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:59:39
- I think you are right to be honest (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:52:31
- It is, but I’ll bet you £10 to a charity of your choosing that they will! (n/m) (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:41:47
- Yep this. (Other Sports) - Under soil heating, Dec 12, 16:28:08
- Yes, sad because no additional drama was required (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:29:47
- Though clearly Hamilton should have been made to give the place back on lap 1 (Other Sports) - earlydoors, Dec 12, 16:40:22
- Yes, sad because no additional drama was required (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:29:47
- Because the race was over once they ordered the lapped cars through (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:38:55
- If the owners are all about ratings and drama (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:20:35
- The regulation seems clear to me. They misapplied it. (Other Sports) - Jim, Dec 12, 16:31:14
- There’s no way they will intervene in the result (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Dec 12, 16:11:08
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