the EU doesn't actually take away ANY national sovereignty

because it has no enforcement apparatus (eg Police). EU laws have supremacy over British law in Britain because we passed a British law when we joined saying that it would. A law we could repeal. As we could leave the EU. The EU couldn't stop us and therefore we actually retain all our sovereignty. We are not forced into the EU, we are in only because we CHOOSE to be. If we had really lost our sovereignty UKIP wouldn't be able to argue for us to leave because we would have lost the ability to do so. We do not give up sovereignty to the EU, we merely pool it with that of other countries to extend it (we could stop a French power station sending polluting fumes over the S of England if it happened using EU laws for instance - if we only had our own laws we'd be powerless in that situation)

Posted By: mr carra on June 2nd 2005 at 17:19:31

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European Referendum (NCFC) - T 07, Jun 2, 16:07:18
- Agree with Neil Kinnock... (NCFC) - Jono, Jun 2, 16:33:07
  - we were told by UKIP.. (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:38:16
- simple as I see it (NCFC) - south, Jun 2, 16:15:13
  - politicians all really love the EU (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:27:23
  - I disagree. Every government politician wants it. (NCFC) - Arganth, Jun 2, 16:23:11
    - it will happen one day because... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:33:15
      - No. Globalisation makes demands of the economics, not the legal position. (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 16:42:26
        
        free Trade is obsolete now though (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:53:46
        
        There has been an increase in trade in services and investment, yes. (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 17:03:15
        
        I understood the foreign minister (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:08:29
      - The question that jumps out of there is... (NCFC) - Arganth, Jun 2, 16:36:44
        
        Globalisation is not proven to to be occurrin anway... (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 16:51:09
        
        agree its a bit of a catch all (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:03:44
        
        Agree, i'm in a real globalised mood at the mo... (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 17:07:07
        
        OK, globalisation doesn't demand it - democracy does (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:44:29
        
        The case in point against Privatization... (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 17:04:13
        
        agreed - a superstate is not practical or desirable at this point (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:10:39
        
        So where does a foreign minister, diplomatic service and elected president (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 16:48:12
        
        European justice is supreme over national courts (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:58:11
        
        Not under the constitution it wouldn't (assuming I understand it correctly)..... (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 17:06:36
        
        the EU doesn't actually take away ANY national sovereignty (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:19:31
        
        The constitution says this...... (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 17:27:17
        
        how? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:34:19
        
        But it moves it. (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 17:41:07
        
        Depends on how democratic and freewilled democracy is... (n/m) (NCFC) - Arganth, Jun 2, 16:46:25
        
        and if democracy evsits anymore? (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 17:10:26
        
        "evsits" should say "exists" (n/m) (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 17:11:50
        
        Of course... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:01:40

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