OK, globalisation doesn't demand it - democracy does

what's the point of voting to introduce (for example) environmental controls on companies if they can just relocate to a nearby country to evade. That just forces countries to scrap controls on companies to stop them relocating (and means that companies not the electorate are determining government action). Only by ensuring all countries have the same standards (which requires some sort of supranational governing body) can you retain democratic control of the economy. 'Market forces' are not democratic in unregulated form, because those with more money have more influence in a market. Therefore to retain democratic regulation in a Europe-wide market requires a Europe-wide body (which is why the EU exists).

Posted By: mr carra on June 2nd 2005 at 16:44:29

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European Referendum (NCFC) - T 07, Jun 2, 16:07:18
- Agree with Neil Kinnock... (NCFC) - Jono, Jun 2, 16:33:07
  - we were told by UKIP.. (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:38:16
- simple as I see it (NCFC) - south, Jun 2, 16:15:13
  - politicians all really love the EU (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:27:23
  - I disagree. Every government politician wants it. (NCFC) - Arganth, Jun 2, 16:23:11
    - it will happen one day because... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:33:15
      - No. Globalisation makes demands of the economics, not the legal position. (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 16:42:26
        
        free Trade is obsolete now though (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:53:46
        
        There has been an increase in trade in services and investment, yes. (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 17:03:15
        
        I understood the foreign minister (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:08:29
      - The question that jumps out of there is... (NCFC) - Arganth, Jun 2, 16:36:44
        
        Globalisation is not proven to to be occurrin anway... (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 16:51:09
        
        agree its a bit of a catch all (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:03:44
        
        Agree, i'm in a real globalised mood at the mo... (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 17:07:07
        
        OK, globalisation doesn't demand it - democracy does (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:44:29
        
        The case in point against Privatization... (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 17:04:13
        
        agreed - a superstate is not practical or desirable at this point (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:10:39
        
        So where does a foreign minister, diplomatic service and elected president (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 16:48:12
        
        European justice is supreme over national courts (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 16:58:11
        
        Not under the constitution it wouldn't (assuming I understand it correctly)..... (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 17:06:36
        
        the EU doesn't actually take away ANY national sovereignty (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:19:31
        
        The constitution says this...... (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 17:27:17
        
        how? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:34:19
        
        But it moves it. (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jun 2, 17:41:07
        
        Depends on how democratic and freewilled democracy is... (n/m) (NCFC) - Arganth, Jun 2, 16:46:25
        
        and if democracy evsits anymore? (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 17:10:26
        
        "evsits" should say "exists" (n/m) (NCFC) - vstevenson, Jun 2, 17:11:50
        
        Of course... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 2, 17:01:40

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