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I should have been clearer, I was referring to the year 1995, not the season. However, with hindsight, I’d go back to the mismanagement of the Mike Walker / Everton situation in early 1994 for the first proper discontent.

It’s been fairly obvious why we had to sell players the last two summers, hasn’t it? And hasn’t that followed years of not selling (in a few cases, against popular opinion)? Yes, I am aware that if our owners were much wealthier and more powerful we wouldn’t have had to, but that’s denying history and we're not able to go back in time. We are where and who we are. I’m not privy to the club’s innermost financial situation and I don’t know enough about economics, nor do I have the time, to go through public end of year tax statements. (I don’t care enough either, for the sake of this petty argument.) However, I’m going to presume it was a necessity and I’ll take it at face value that we’ve had to balance the books. In Chase’s time it certainly wasn’t that clear and wasn’t considered to be necessary by most supporters. There just wasn’t enough information available in those days. Maybe if he had been more transparent supporters would have cut him more slack. The Sutton and Fox sales and his statement that he’d leave if they did highlights this and aggravated matters, as pointed out below.

People are not generally as angry towards Delia because it is perceived that she and Geoffrey Watling saved the club when she took over from Chase. Again, I can’t claim any knowledge of the finances of the club in those days and any interpretation of club statements is just that; interpretation and speculation. So that’s just my opinion. A lot of people like the fact that she’s a fan and I can’t blame them for that. I can’t say it bothers me, personally, one way or the other.

As for the crowd’s animosity towards the managers you mention, I’ve always had my own theories on that which aren’t really relevant. I’ve never been a fan of constant sacking though. Continuity is stronger, in my opinion.

By the way, your double standard comment: my post was a flippant aside, trying to highlight the fact that it’s not really within either of our powers to just install new owners at the drop of a hat. Accusing me of double standards for that is petty and insulting, and I’m not quite sure how it shows hypocrisy either.

Posted By: APB on September 3rd 2018 at 08:41:36

Message Thread

PM: APB (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Sep 3, 02:18:00
- Chase v Delia. "a total mystery to me" (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 3, 10:38:33
  - I'm perfectly aware of all of that, thanks. I've read all the same stuff as you (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Sep 3, 10:48:33
    - if you are aware of the facts (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 3, 11:18:11
    - "wasn't the club priced at a preposterous 56m not so long ago?" (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 11:07:12
- Under Delia, we've never really sold players to our rivals. (NCFC) - lurd, Sep 3, 09:31:35
  - Is that relevant though? (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 09:34:20
  - With respect that’s because we were in the top division in the most part (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 09:33:10
    - I just think there's some rewriting of history here. (NCFC) - lurd, Sep 3, 09:38:19
      - I’m not convinced Chase meant to get us relegated and (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 09:46:31
        
        selling players is our reality, and always has been (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 3, 10:49:44
        
        The current regime have had us being a non-selling club for a long time. (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 10:10:21
        
        How is replacing Fox with Neil Adams any different to replacing (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 10:23:10
        
        Ok. (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 11:15:14
        
        and i'm not a Chase fan either, iots was just the suggestion that the current (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 11:27:50
        
        Actually Crofts is a bad example. Sorry. (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 10:16:59
        
        Highest transfer profit of any football league club over the last 5 windows - £56.9m but (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 10:36:21
        
        Did I say we weren’t now? (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 11:16:23
        
        I did read it that way yes but i think the exchange above has cleared it up. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 11:30:28
- FFS (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 08:41:36
  - (Or actually, there was quite a lot of anger at the sale of Fleck) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 09:00:57
  - Would you prefer it if Delia considered outside investment APB? (n/m) (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 08:51:07
    - Why wouldn’t I? (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 08:54:41
      - I mean, we all want the team to be successful. (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 08:59:37
- It’s partly because Delia is a celebrity and a woman (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 08:34:47
  - “our support has been “Deliafied” over the years“ (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 09:07:27
  - More vile spin from Jim (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 09:00:47
    - Why is it vlle Ralf? (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 09:07:42
      - It's Jim's description of the club's official announcements that you're missing (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 09:11:46
        
        Amongst other things. (n/m) (NCFC) - bird table, Sep 3, 10:20:42
  - You two really do have a most unedifying habit (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 08:38:17
    - Irony just died. (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Sep 3, 10:37:31
      - There may be posters who grind my gears, Shaun and ohhhh, I bite. (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:09:00
        
        hmm (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 3, 11:44:06
        
        Is that it? (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:47:46
        
        I don;t see him telling fans what they should think (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 11:32:29
        
        We'll have to disagree I'm afraid Jim. (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:40:45
    - Pot and kettle spring to mind Norway. (n/m) (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 08:52:43
  - And she saved us from admin once (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 08:37:40
    - What do you mean “saved us from admin”?, did she put a halt to excessive paperwork ? (n/m) (NCFC) - Augustus Pablo, Sep 3, 09:37:17
    - But its starting to wane now with most fans I speak to. (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 08:59:09
    - Which Tom has none of. Things will turn very quickly once he takes on (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 08:56:14
- I'm not aware of animosity towards him the whole time... (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Sep 3, 07:23:03
  - Could it be argued that telling fans he will do what he likes as chairman is (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 08:36:24
  - Hmmm (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 08:36:18
    - Great post (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Sep 3, 10:38:48
    - I'm aware of the irony but re more money... (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Sep 3, 09:00:10
      - Very true. (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 09:37:23
    - They’re not getting any younger (who is?) and they need to find a successor. (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 08:49:22
      - As is life in general. (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 09:06:15
        
        Fair point, supposition on my part. (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 09:39:35
        
        My opinion is that my opinion is of little importance. (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 09:58:54
        
        Spot on. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:13:13
        
        For the record, I don't hold that assumption. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Sep 3, 10:40:50
        
        You may be *aware* - however it has no effect whatsoever (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:15:21
        
        Who said I was happy with the status quo? (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 09:17:41
    - Pretty much it in a nutshell OG! (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 3, 08:47:46

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