no, because Clegg will want *something* out of it

no, because Clegg will want something out of it

and for that he'll have to bend right over and consumate the deal

AV isn't really much better than what we have now, but if the Lib Dems are going to argue for full PR in the future they have to prove that coalition government can work in this country on a national level, else they won't have a leg to stand on when it comes to any referendum

this whole thing could well f**k them up as a political 'force' for a generation, but if they think it'll work long term...

Posted By: Ralf Scrampton on May 11th 2010 at 09:57:09

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Principled opposition to Lib-Lab coalition (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, May 11, 07:54:56
- I think that... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, May 11, 09:03:17
- wouldn't that apply to any coalition though? (General Chat) - mr carra, May 11, 08:16:46
  - Well, yes; but he's coming from a Labour perspective (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, May 11, 08:29:44
- Excellent Piece (General Chat) - Martin Peters, May 11, 08:05:17
  - A different analogy on the lib dems (General Chat) - KentonCanary, May 11, 08:53:42
    - lol! Perfect. (n/m) (General Chat) - camcan, May 11, 09:03:43
  - Blimey, I'm a nemesis (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 11, 08:16:08
    - I'm Enjoying The Debate! (General Chat) - Martin Peters, May 11, 08:27:40
      - "PR of some kind is inevitable ..." (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 11, 09:24:31
        
        ^^^ yes (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, May 11, 10:00:09
      - fair play (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 11, 08:30:16
        
        Think It Has To Be Today... (General Chat) - Martin Peters, May 11, 08:43:54
  - it's going to be a Lib Dem/Tory coalition within 2 days (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, May 11, 08:13:49
    - More likely a Con minority in that case? (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, May 11, 08:32:23
      - no, because Clegg will want *something* out of it (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, May 11, 09:57:09
        
        You appear to have extraordinary faith in the Tories to deliver ER (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, May 11, 10:59:48
        
        trusting the Tories to deliver a referendum on ER is very different to trusting them to (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, May 11, 11:56:11
        
        His arguments equally apply to the Tories on delivering ER (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, May 11, 13:43:32
        
        i think the Tories are more likely to fall into line just to get into power again (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, May 11, 14:17:24
        
        Well they have some serious right wing nut jobs (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, May 11, 14:36:20
        
        whereas Mandelson and Campbell aren't desperate to hold on? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, May 11, 15:09:36
    - they actually want to be in opposition (General Chat) - duke of york, May 11, 08:16:41
      - and it gives them time to get a new leader in before the next election (General Chat) - mr carra, May 11, 08:18:14
        
        Football analogy time (General Chat) - APB, May 11, 09:06:36
        
        Drinking analogy time (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, May 11, 09:12:04
        
        Yes. Yes. (General Chat) - APB, May 11, 09:16:00
        
        Old fart. (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, May 11, 09:21:41
        
        In my defence (General Chat) - APB, May 11, 09:42:58
        
        old fart.... (General Chat) - Jumbo1, May 11, 09:41:39
        
        Cor. Beginning to think I was a bit lucky to avoid last Saturday. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 11, 09:23:11
        
        Naah - wasn't *that* Bacchanalian. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 11, 09:32:44
        
        I think I'd be OK as long as I had Nasie there to lok after me (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 11, 09:33:51
        
        Yeah right. With that scallywag ? No chance. (n/m) (General Chat) - BSG Canary, May 11, 09:40:51
        
        hem hem... (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, May 11, 09:54:03
        
        *look* (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 11, 09:34:07
        
        You'd have loved it. (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, May 11, 09:25:11

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