Seriously though, it is like a classroom.

I can go back to 1993 and the first school I worked at. The head of PE then was in close contact with the club, and still is. I’m not going to name him, but he has a role on match days. He told me of a conversation with Mike Walker, and Walker had said the team were like a bunch of school kids and he was the teacher. Not as in imparting knowledge (although that was occasionally what he had to do), but classroom management.

A class of kids with one or two very dominant personalities can function well without intervention if the rest of the class can tolerate them and not allow them to affect their own behaviour. If the rest of the class just spectates or (worse) is cowed into subservience, then as a group they are unhappy and don’t perform well. That’s when intervention is needed and the form it needs to take is different every time. That’s why it’s hard if you can’t just remove the problem.

Sure the club has to look at the raw results, as schools do. But there’s also a human element to it and unless you get that right the results won’t happen.

Posted By: APB on June 10th 2025 at 12:39:27

Message Thread

Knapper kept mentioning 'and the need to over perform' (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Jun 10, 09:34:17
- LM is a decent coach, Ben was just showing confidence in Manning.. (n/m) (NCFC) - Goosebumps, Jun 10, 11:53:13
- Bristol did much better last term than analysis of their squad would suggest as par (NCFC) - Old Man, Jun 10, 10:56:07
- Define “over-perform” (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 10:44:23
  - Id be incredibly concerned if over-perform was just management speak (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Jun 10, 13:35:47
  - Further to that, I think I noticed Manning referring to “good characters”… (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 11:23:14
    - Bit of a word salad there but you know what I mean (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 11:28:32
      - ChatGPT says you meant this (NCFC) - Old Git, Jun 10, 12:34:35
        
        Ha ha. Pretty much. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 12:42:54
      - I read this as (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 10, 11:45:13
        
        That’s clever man management (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 12:25:37
        
        Seriously though, it is like a classroom. (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 12:39:27
        
        TL;DR - you need leaders, but everyone needs to be a bit of a leader (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 12:41:49
        
        I really think the Shane Duffy being dropped moment (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 10, 13:19:39
        
        It should never have got to that point (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 13:22:53
  - Me,in the sack (n/m) (NCFC) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 10, 11:19:05
    - With the lead piping? (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 11:23:32
      - The candelabra (n/m) (NCFC) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 10, 11:31:25
        
        Saw them twice at the Brixton Academy in 87. The Bassist exploded during the sound check. (n/m) (NCFC) - Milko, Jun 10, 12:17:47
        
        ^ has a frilly willy (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 10, 11:35:02
  - £££££££ (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 11:02:18
    - This .... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 12:08:40
  - 100 this. Even if you could quantify 'over perform' it is statistically impossible as (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Jun 10, 11:01:49
    - I don't think that's true; we know what everyone's budget is (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 11:02:53
      - That's if you believe there is a perfect correlation between budget and performance and (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Jun 10, 11:16:04
        
        It's easy to say if the club is... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 12:21:41
        
        Yes, and it's budget that dictates what that long term mean is (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 11:25:43
  - It's twaddle speak. Like giving 110% (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 10, 10:50:52
    - If it is twaddle speak then Knapper is truly out of his depth (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Jun 10, 13:36:20
      - I think what we mean is that over-perform or out-perform (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 15:32:03
    - I don't agree. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 12:29:39
      - You’re obsessed with data and numbers, which I understand (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 12:55:53
        
        You kind of made my point. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 21:12:56
        
        all true APB (NCFC) - dr fanta, Jun 10, 14:56:52
    - indeed it is (NCFC) - dr fanta, Jun 10, 12:02:13
    - I like “pre-order” (NCFC) - APB, Jun 10, 10:53:00
- It’s language used by Atanasio. He kept saying that about the Brewers (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Jun 10, 10:41:08
  - It's pretty simple isn't it? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 10, 11:39:32
    - Yes, that's exactly the metric he is using. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 12:31:46
    - Yep (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 12:02:09
- Whenever we do well we have a team that is better than the sum of its parts (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 10, 09:56:57
  - Agree totally (except Alex Neil's team) (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Jun 10, 10:18:21
    - If we don't outperform, then either him or Knapper will go (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 10, 12:45:18
- If we don't out perform our budget, we aren't getting promoted (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 09:44:58
  - 1 and 2 underrated , 3 overrated. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 12:53:15
    - I'd say Alex Neil vs Neil Adams is the obvious argument against your view on coaching (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 13:13:22
      - No that kind of enhances my view. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 21:38:44
  - And I don't disagree with any of that (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Jun 10, 10:17:25
    - No, not necessarily (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 10:28:35
      - That's the question though. What are the metrics to measure this 'over-performing' (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Jun 10, 13:38:04
        
        Yeah, USAC is right when he says it's easy to see whether a club is over/under performing (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 14:00:24
    - Depends how badly he does (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 10, 10:20:22
      - I think there is def a scenario where he finishes... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 12:57:23
  - It’s all 3 isn’t it and an efficient player trading model (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Jun 10, 09:47:09
    - Yes - I think it is. Certainly if we think back to promotions under Lambert and Farke (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 09:51:38
      - That's just not true. (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 10, 12:48:49
        
        Net spend on transfers? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jun 10, 13:05:49
- Took it to mean over perform when… (NCFC) - loz, Jun 10, 09:43:17
  - Yup,.I'm sure that's what he meant (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Jun 10, 10:19:13
- Wonder when Knapper himself will over perform … (n/m) (NCFC) - footymadman, Jun 10, 09:40:12

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