Probably one of our less risky gambles

So, you can assure that this vaccine is efficient for the elderly?

“The issue with the elderly data is not so much whether it works or not. It´s that we have today a limited amount of data in the older population. You have to think that the program we have today was run by Oxford, it was the Oxford program. And Oxford is an academy group. They´re very ethical, and very academic. So they didn´t want to vaccinate older people until they had accumulated a lot of safety data in the 18 to 55 group. They said it was not ethical to vaccinate old people until they had enough safety data in younger people. Other companies took this risk, went ahead and vaccinated older people faster or earlier. If you start earlier, you have more data. Essentially, because Oxford started vaccinating older people later, we don´t have a huge number of older people who have been vaccinated. So that's what the debate is.

Posted By: SCC 28 on January 28th 2021 at 16:56:00

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A drug patent lawyer chum just sent me this (Coronavirus) - Old Git, Jan 28, 15:10:01
- As far as I can see it’s all also conditional upon (and has provision for deferral (Coronavirus) - Jim, Jan 28, 23:03:56
- Just so - I've seen this elsewhere too (Coronavirus) - Old Man, Jan 28, 16:40:14
  - on the whole, we haven't done too badly (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 17:25:51
    - I think we’ve done the right things but just too late because the govt have not wanted (Coronavirus) - Jim, Jan 28, 20:40:26
    - I actually agree on much of that (Coronavirus) - Old Man, Jan 28, 17:34:23
      - it is fine *SAYING* all that but talk is cheap and i think you will find that all (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Jan 28, 17:41:57
- Nice 👍 (n/m) (Coronavirus) - helvegtheowl, Jan 28, 16:27:00
- On a related topic (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:11:45
  - Quite convenient given they haven't got any of it (Coronavirus) - paulg, Jan 28, 17:49:57
    - Yanks haven’t approved it at all have they (n/m) (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 18:07:58
  - So the UK has been vaccinating a whole load of old people (Coronavirus) - Mecagoenti, Jan 28, 16:46:59
    - Probably one of our less risky gambles (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:56:00
    - Basically, yes. Soriot speaks to this as well (Coronavirus) - Old Man, Jan 28, 16:55:31
      - thanks, that makes sense (Coronavirus) - Mecagoenti, Jan 28, 17:05:00
        
        Different decision makers innit (n/m) (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 17:12:07
      - Nah I'm middle aged but had the Pfizer. (n/m) (Coronavirus) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jan 28, 16:58:15
      - My dad got some Pfizer at the weekend (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:58:12
    - Eugenics bro. (n/m) (Coronavirus) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jan 28, 16:49:46
  - this article explains it a bit more (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 16:38:00
    - Yeah a few in Israel have caught it after 2 doses (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:45:13
  - There's a decent article linked off of that thread (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 28, 16:29:30
  - I think over 65 serum antibody titer levels were solid though? (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Jan 28, 16:21:39
    - lol I’m sure they were (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:29:30
- isn't that just a commitment to establish manufacturing capabilities? (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 15:46:23
  - Well you can't supply the stuff without the manufacturing capability (Coronavirus) - Old Git, Jan 28, 16:03:43
    - good old woolly drafting (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 16:08:37
- that's bullshit (Coronavirus) - Jumbo1, Jan 28, 15:43:48
- Posturing on all sides isn't it? (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 28, 15:29:11
  - Seems to me this both a marathon and a sprint ... (n/m) (Coronavirus) - paulg, Jan 28, 17:51:20
  - Probably posturing from the EU because it takes them so long to agree anything and they’re (Coronavirus) - helvegtheowl, Jan 28, 16:29:36
    - Its their worst nightmare I suspect, coming so soon after brexit (Coronavirus) - paulg, Jan 28, 17:54:21
- I have heard similar statements from other lawyers (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Jan 28, 15:22:44
  - thought I read somewhere that (Coronavirus) - ghostof barry butler, Jan 28, 15:25:33
    - Hmmmm (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Jan 28, 16:17:46

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