Just so - I've seen this elsewhere too

I found the AZ CEO quite credible in his Repubblica interview (in English): User Posted Link

At the risk of straying into the Forbidden Zone, and as someone who was a strong Remainer, I think the issue here is that the Commission has gone beyond its competence - not legal competence, but competence competence. France, Germany and Italy all wanted to negotiate direct with AZ but were - rightly, in my view - persuaded that the EU should negotiate en bloc (rightly because of scale/leverage in the negotiaions and because it means poorer countries would also get their share). However what should then have happened is either the French or the Germans or the Italians should have done the negotiation, but for the whole EU. This is because national governments are used to these kind of complex procurements - think hospitals, warships, that kind of thing; the EU has never done anything like it, and probably doesnt' understand the way supply chains need to be set up or the realities of scaling biotech production in the way required for vaccines - as Soriot points out, what has been done is unprecedented, and the UK supply chain also experienced issues (remember, our first lot was supposed to arrive in September; it didn't arrive till December). The behaviour of the EC since has been faintly ridiculous - again, this from a strong remainer - the kind of spoilt toddlerisms that so endeared Donald Trump to the world.

The Uk has got so much wrong on covid: timings of and exits from lockdowns, PPE, etc; but on sourcing the vaccines it's done a really good job (imho). Other European governments would have done a similarly good job had they been allowed to; this is not the Commission's finest hour.

Posted By: Old Man on January 28th 2021 at 16:40:14

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A drug patent lawyer chum just sent me this (Coronavirus) - Old Git, Jan 28, 15:10:01
- As far as I can see it’s all also conditional upon (and has provision for deferral (Coronavirus) - Jim, Jan 28, 23:03:56
- Just so - I've seen this elsewhere too (Coronavirus) - Old Man, Jan 28, 16:40:14
  - on the whole, we haven't done too badly (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 17:25:51
    - I think we’ve done the right things but just too late because the govt have not wanted (Coronavirus) - Jim, Jan 28, 20:40:26
    - I actually agree on much of that (Coronavirus) - Old Man, Jan 28, 17:34:23
      - it is fine *SAYING* all that but talk is cheap and i think you will find that all (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Jan 28, 17:41:57
- Nice 👍 (n/m) (Coronavirus) - helvegtheowl, Jan 28, 16:27:00
- On a related topic (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:11:45
  - Quite convenient given they haven't got any of it (Coronavirus) - paulg, Jan 28, 17:49:57
    - Yanks haven’t approved it at all have they (n/m) (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 18:07:58
  - So the UK has been vaccinating a whole load of old people (Coronavirus) - Mecagoenti, Jan 28, 16:46:59
    - Probably one of our less risky gambles (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:56:00
    - Basically, yes. Soriot speaks to this as well (Coronavirus) - Old Man, Jan 28, 16:55:31
      - thanks, that makes sense (Coronavirus) - Mecagoenti, Jan 28, 17:05:00
        
        Different decision makers innit (n/m) (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 17:12:07
      - Nah I'm middle aged but had the Pfizer. (n/m) (Coronavirus) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jan 28, 16:58:15
      - My dad got some Pfizer at the weekend (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:58:12
    - Eugenics bro. (n/m) (Coronavirus) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jan 28, 16:49:46
  - this article explains it a bit more (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 16:38:00
    - Yeah a few in Israel have caught it after 2 doses (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:45:13
  - There's a decent article linked off of that thread (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 28, 16:29:30
  - I think over 65 serum antibody titer levels were solid though? (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Jan 28, 16:21:39
    - lol I’m sure they were (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Jan 28, 16:29:30
- isn't that just a commitment to establish manufacturing capabilities? (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 15:46:23
  - Well you can't supply the stuff without the manufacturing capability (Coronavirus) - Old Git, Jan 28, 16:03:43
    - good old woolly drafting (Coronavirus) - CWC, Jan 28, 16:08:37
- that's bullshit (Coronavirus) - Jumbo1, Jan 28, 15:43:48
- Posturing on all sides isn't it? (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 28, 15:29:11
  - Seems to me this both a marathon and a sprint ... (n/m) (Coronavirus) - paulg, Jan 28, 17:51:20
  - Probably posturing from the EU because it takes them so long to agree anything and they’re (Coronavirus) - helvegtheowl, Jan 28, 16:29:36
    - Its their worst nightmare I suspect, coming so soon after brexit (Coronavirus) - paulg, Jan 28, 17:54:21
- I have heard similar statements from other lawyers (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Jan 28, 15:22:44
  - thought I read somewhere that (Coronavirus) - ghostof barry butler, Jan 28, 15:25:33
    - Hmmmm (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Jan 28, 16:17:46

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