Oh, tons of factors
They themselves - Smith and Jones I mean - are 'soft'. They have their own idea of what they want the club to be, and have probably eliminated very good managers from their thinking in the past because they didn't fit that largely self-defeating image.
Their relative lack of means then means we can't recruit enough real quality, with our geographical location playing a major part too. But location is only an easy excuse for players not to come here because of our lack of finance - we're as close to London as Bournemouth, and it doesn't stop them, does it? Ditto, to an even greater extent, Southampton - a club I'd argue to be more or less identical in size to us.
To our credit, I don't think we indulge agents as many other clubs do - but agents have never been more powerful, which seriously impacts on our recruitment.
Finally, there's the basic point which they've often admitted to: that they don't understand football. Therefore, they've no idea what makes any manager good or not, so have often stuck by the bad ones and not properly backed the better ones. But that also means they're bound to give a lot of power to the likes of Doncaster, McNally or, now, Webber: whoever runs the football operation is the most important appointment, and I'd be surprised if they do enough due diligence on that.
Bottom line? They're good natured, well meaning patricians - but without the dosh to attract the best, and without the knowledge to recruit the best either. Meaning we've probably been bloody lucky to have achieved what we have under their watch overall.
Posted By: thebigfeller on August 28th 2017 at 09:22:39
Message Thread
- Some thoughts (too many words etc etc) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:02:17
- Is investment the answer......... (NCFC) - usacanary, Aug 28, 17:21:34
- The glass ceiling will continue to get lower and lower as investment in club reduces (NCFC) - John in Texas, Aug 28, 10:46:35
- Hasn't this debate been done thousands of time before? (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:22:01
- And we finished 11th and 12th with these owners. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Aug 28, 10:29:10
- Football has changed massively tho (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, Aug 28, 10:49:55
- consistently? (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Aug 28, 10:40:31
- Not really a hill to die on here. (NCFC) - norway, Aug 28, 11:03:22
- Fair comment - but that's the problem with lack of finance. No margin for error (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 11:05:43
- And of course, re: 2005/6, we didn't get it right next time. Or the time after that. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 11:07:12
- Fair comment - but that's the problem with lack of finance. No margin for error (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 11:05:43
- Not really a hill to die on here. (NCFC) - norway, Aug 28, 11:03:22
- And the chances of that happening again are...? (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:31:42
- I agree. However, with these owners, our glass ceiling was 18th/19th (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:25:24
- Ultimately doesn't it come down to global fanbase? (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:35:17
- Not been an issue for Stoke/West Brom/Watford/Palace/Swansea/Southampton (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:43:48
- Agreed, my only worry and I think Delia's as well is that if we (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:47:13
- Oh sure. There's always risks, big ones (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:50:43
- And FWIW I think we'll get promoted in the next 2 seasons. (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:50:33
- Based on what do you say that? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mackem Canary, Aug 28, 11:47:29
- Pure optimism (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 11:59:43
- Ditto. Let's get that "League 1 Champions 2018/19" open top bus organised ;-) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:51:49
- Based on what do you say that? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mackem Canary, Aug 28, 11:47:29
- Agreed, my only worry and I think Delia's as well is that if we (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:47:13
- Not been an issue for Stoke/West Brom/Watford/Palace/Swansea/Southampton (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:43:48
- Ultimately doesn't it come down to global fanbase? (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:35:17
- What's wrong with that? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Aug 28, 10:24:47
- Well, exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:25:53
- And we finished 11th and 12th with these owners. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Aug 28, 10:29:10
- Agreed, it's hard to care when you've seen it happen so many times before. (NCFC) - lurd, Aug 28, 10:08:00
- Hard to disagree with any of that (NCFC) - Chalk Hill Bitter, Aug 28, 09:25:39
- Nailed it (n/m) (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Aug 28, 09:18:18
- I largely agree, but I'm wondering why they've managed to cock it (NCFC) - dennis moore, Aug 28, 09:12:43
- And as you said earlier bgh getting older makes you 'softer' for want of a better word. (NCFC) - Men without hats, Aug 28, 10:30:25
- Got lucky/good recommendation in McNally (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 09:23:33
- Oh, tons of factors (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:22:39
- Yep with regards to being soft, just need to look at West Ham for the opposite (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Aug 28, 09:36:21
- nail hit on head (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 28, 09:11:15
- Agree. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:10:39
- Agree with Jim's response. And then there was their interview in The Times (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:32:49
- So no evidence of a serious approach. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:46:08
- I suggest you read the interview. It's from the horse's mouth (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:51:14
- Full interview is here. It's a perfect illustration of their attitude to modern football (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:03:56
- You can't help but patronise can you? (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 10:02:21
- any serious credible buyer would have been NDAed (NCFC) - CWC, Aug 28, 10:45:00
- I suggest you read the interview. It's from the horse's mouth (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:51:14
- So no evidence of a serious approach. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:46:08
- They will have had many informal enquiries and they will have put off (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 09:22:16
- Exactly. An assumption. No evidence whatsoever. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:40:32
- No evidence whatsoever. Apart from, er, Delia herself (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:43:38
- That article is full of stupid comments. AN to be manager for 10 years... (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:54:31
- This (n/m) (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Aug 28, 09:46:32
- No evidence whatsoever. Apart from, er, Delia herself (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:43:38
- Exactly. An assumption. No evidence whatsoever. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:40:32
- Agree with Jim's response. And then there was their interview in The Times (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:32:49
- Spot on (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Aug 28, 09:07:04
- Absolute spot on 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - helvegtheowl, Aug 28, 09:03:19
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