Some thoughts (too many words etc etc)

1. I still think it's way too early to cast judgement or, as some already are doing, panic. No matter who the manager is, Norwich - especially a Norwich side trying to play football - will always be prone to the occasional absolute shocker. But what Farke is trying to do takes time; heck, even Klopp's Liverpool frequently looked an absolute mess in his first few months there.

This doesn't mean I don't share other posters' concerns. Of course I'm concerned! It's impossible not to be given our defence (sic). But no-one should panic unless we're still in the bottom three come November/December.

2. Farke. No folks, he didn't look a "broken man" in his post-match interview. He looked FURIOUS, and rightly so. Furious to be associated with such a pathetic performance; furious at the schoolboy mistakes of his players; furious, I agree, at this summer's recruitment.

So we'll see what happens over these critical last few days of the window - but Saturday will only have stiffened his resolve to get things right. I've no doubt about that.

3. The fundamental issue, and one many keep coming back to. What is "success" for Norwich City under these owners? What do they get out of owning the club, and point blank refusing any potential interest from anyone else? What's in it for them, other than a whole load of hassle, and ever-increasing odds?

Personally, I find it hard to care as strongly as I did a few years back. Maybe that's because I'm older, and life puts football into its proper perspective. But it's much more because under these owners, we've kept smashing into the same glass ceiling... so the endless cycle we're on all feels a little bit passe.

When we went down to the third tier in 2009, they only survived - by the skin of their teeth in financial terms - by getting in absolutely brilliant people, on the football and business side of things. If it happens again, I don't see how they survive a second time. And if they themselves are fed up with the glass ceiling I mentioned, well... it's time for them to reconsider their attitude to new owners, isn't it?

Posted By: thebigfeller on August 28th 2017 at 09:02:17

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Some thoughts (too many words etc etc) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:02:17
- Is investment the answer......... (NCFC) - usacanary, Aug 28, 17:21:34
- The glass ceiling will continue to get lower and lower as investment in club reduces (NCFC) - John in Texas, Aug 28, 10:46:35
- Hasn't this debate been done thousands of time before? (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:22:01
  - And we finished 11th and 12th with these owners. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Aug 28, 10:29:10
    - Football has changed massively tho (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, Aug 28, 10:49:55
      - Agree. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Aug 28, 11:03:33
    - consistently? (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Aug 28, 10:40:31
      - Not really a hill to die on here. (NCFC) - norway, Aug 28, 11:03:22
        
        Fair comment - but that's the problem with lack of finance. No margin for error (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 11:05:43
        
        And of course, re: 2005/6, we didn't get it right next time. Or the time after that. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 11:07:12
    - And the chances of that happening again are...? (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:31:42
  - I agree. However, with these owners, our glass ceiling was 18th/19th (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:25:24
    - Ultimately doesn't it come down to global fanbase? (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:35:17
      - Not been an issue for Stoke/West Brom/Watford/Palace/Swansea/Southampton (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:43:48
        
        Agreed, my only worry and I think Delia's as well is that if we (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:47:13
        
        Oh sure. There's always risks, big ones (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:50:43
        
        And FWIW I think we'll get promoted in the next 2 seasons. (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 10:50:33
        
        Based on what do you say that? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mackem Canary, Aug 28, 11:47:29
        
        Pure optimism (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 28, 11:59:43
        
        Ditto. Let's get that "League 1 Champions 2018/19" open top bus organised ;-) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:51:49
  - What's wrong with that? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Aug 28, 10:24:47
    - Well, exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:25:53
- Agreed, it's hard to care when you've seen it happen so many times before. (NCFC) - lurd, Aug 28, 10:08:00
- Hard to disagree with any of that (NCFC) - Chalk Hill Bitter, Aug 28, 09:25:39
- Nailed it (n/m) (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Aug 28, 09:18:18
- I largely agree, but I'm wondering why they've managed to cock it (NCFC) - dennis moore, Aug 28, 09:12:43
  - And as you said earlier bgh getting older makes you 'softer' for want of a better word. (NCFC) - Men without hats, Aug 28, 10:30:25
  - Got lucky/good recommendation in McNally (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 09:23:33
  - Oh, tons of factors (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:22:39
    - Yep with regards to being soft, just need to look at West Ham for the opposite (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Aug 28, 09:36:21
- nail hit on head (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 28, 09:11:15
- Agree. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:10:39
  - Agree with Jim's response. And then there was their interview in The Times (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:32:49
    - So no evidence of a serious approach. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:46:08
      - I suggest you read the interview. It's from the horse's mouth (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:51:14
        
        Full interview is here. It's a perfect illustration of their attitude to modern football (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 10:03:56
        
        You can't help but patronise can you? (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 10:02:21
        
        any serious credible buyer would have been NDAed (NCFC) - CWC, Aug 28, 10:45:00
  - They will have had many informal enquiries and they will have put off (NCFC) - Jim, Aug 28, 09:22:16
    - Exactly. An assumption. No evidence whatsoever. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:40:32
      - No evidence whatsoever. Apart from, er, Delia herself (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 28, 09:43:38
        
        That article is full of stupid comments. AN to be manager for 10 years... (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 28, 09:54:31
        
        This (n/m) (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Aug 28, 09:46:32
- Spot on (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Aug 28, 09:07:04
- Absolute spot on 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - helvegtheowl, Aug 28, 09:03:19

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