Totally agree. Although I'm not sure those disillusioned ones would have the

Balls to speak out publicly. Their former comrades would then consider them apostates. And that's a dangerous position to be in. So might be very hard to get many people speaking out about the reality.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on November 22nd 2015 at 18:32:07

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I've got something pretty ill informed to say, but it's what I think so here goes (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 15:06:42
- thanks for the replies (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 17:38:47
- Yes, but it's a bit different when confronted by a specific threat (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 22, 15:37:33
- it's a lose-lose situation (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 15:32:00
  - Thing is we keep calling these guys terrorists and assuming that they are trying to (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:37:55
    - I don't think anyone assumes that they have aims of 'traditional terrorists' (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 15:54:57
      - I disagree. Their enemy is anybody who doesn't think the same way whether that be other (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 16:04:50
        
        I think that's a bit of a caricature (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 16:20:46
        
        Don't underestimate the power of religion in the Middle East. It's not the same as (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 17:10:42
        
        true, I just think its a bit dangerous to lump all of Isis in together (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 17:37:28
        
        No I mean ISIS is founded on a very clear philosophy. It is their raison d'?tre (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:30:30
        
        There's a lot who come back to the uk completely dissolusioned at what they've been doing (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 17:41:23
        
        Totally agree. Although I'm not sure those disillusioned ones would have the (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:32:07
        
        definitely could be good counter-propaganda (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 17:54:38
        
        Dunno about in their own community but the first part of what you said would hold for (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:36:14
        
        From what I understand communities like my area and Molenbeek are more wary of these (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:37:48
    - Vmt, it's not just Europe though, it's Salafists versus the world. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 22, 15:41:48
      - Indeed (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:46:26
- Long term yes, short term yes. Fucking ridiculous. And bombing is also (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:30:39
  - They have polarized opinion alright (General Chat) - SeattleSounders, Nov 22, 15:34:35
    - Or clever clever bastards... (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:38:25
- It feeds into the seige mentality the old bill may wish to spread (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 22, 15:28:09
- Long term yes, short term no. Completely understandable for a couple of weeks (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 22, 15:26:35
  - Capitalism is far from at a halt! A lot of people are gonna make a lot of money. War is (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:28:07

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