I disagree. Their enemy is anybody who doesn't think the same way whether that be other

Muslims or Christians or Jews or atheists or Hindus etc etc.

And whether they are in Europe or Syria they are all ideology driven. Disenfranchised youth is just the target group for recruitment and I would think that's the same in The Middle East as well as in Europe.

And yes I do think people are reacting as though it is a "traditional" terrorist group. Sadly at least on social media I'm seeing s**tloads of racism toward Muslims and loads of shouting about how not scared we are. I don't think they give a f**k about whether we are scared or not. They only want us to be scared enough to become more and more suspicious of Islam and therefore create even more disenfranchised youth to recruit.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on November 22nd 2015 at 16:04:50

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I've got something pretty ill informed to say, but it's what I think so here goes (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 15:06:42
- thanks for the replies (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 17:38:47
- Yes, but it's a bit different when confronted by a specific threat (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 22, 15:37:33
- it's a lose-lose situation (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 15:32:00
  - Thing is we keep calling these guys terrorists and assuming that they are trying to (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:37:55
    - I don't think anyone assumes that they have aims of 'traditional terrorists' (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 15:54:57
      - I disagree. Their enemy is anybody who doesn't think the same way whether that be other (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 16:04:50
        
        I think that's a bit of a caricature (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 16:20:46
        
        Don't underestimate the power of religion in the Middle East. It's not the same as (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 17:10:42
        
        true, I just think its a bit dangerous to lump all of Isis in together (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 17:37:28
        
        No I mean ISIS is founded on a very clear philosophy. It is their raison d'?tre (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:30:30
        
        There's a lot who come back to the uk completely dissolusioned at what they've been doing (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 17:41:23
        
        Totally agree. Although I'm not sure those disillusioned ones would have the (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:32:07
        
        definitely could be good counter-propaganda (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 17:54:38
        
        Dunno about in their own community but the first part of what you said would hold for (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:36:14
        
        From what I understand communities like my area and Molenbeek are more wary of these (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:37:48
    - Vmt, it's not just Europe though, it's Salafists versus the world. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 22, 15:41:48
      - Indeed (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:46:26
- Long term yes, short term yes. Fucking ridiculous. And bombing is also (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:30:39
  - They have polarized opinion alright (General Chat) - SeattleSounders, Nov 22, 15:34:35
    - Or clever clever bastards... (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:38:25
- It feeds into the seige mentality the old bill may wish to spread (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 22, 15:28:09
- Long term yes, short term no. Completely understandable for a couple of weeks (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 22, 15:26:35
  - Capitalism is far from at a halt! A lot of people are gonna make a lot of money. War is (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:28:07

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