I don't think anyone assumes that they have aims of 'traditional terrorists'

do they?

One problem is that nobody really knows their ultimate aims - probably not even themselves.

It seems to me that there are several distinct aims between members of Isis. The ones that grew up in Western countries seem to be largely a group of disenfranchised young people who have turned to radicalism as a form of self-determination. Their goal may be driven more by personal vendettas and hate of the system they have grown up in, than any desire to establish a caliphate.

Then there are the religious side of Isis, who do want to establish a caliphate in the middle east - following a literal reading of the Koran. I don't think these are so concerned with world domination or opposing the west - they just want control in what they perceive to be their own land. Their main enemy is not the West, but muslim groups that don't think the same way.

Posted By: Mecagoenti on November 22nd 2015 at 15:54:57

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I've got something pretty ill informed to say, but it's what I think so here goes (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 15:06:42
- thanks for the replies (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 17:38:47
- Yes, but it's a bit different when confronted by a specific threat (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 22, 15:37:33
- it's a lose-lose situation (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 15:32:00
  - Thing is we keep calling these guys terrorists and assuming that they are trying to (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:37:55
    - I don't think anyone assumes that they have aims of 'traditional terrorists' (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 15:54:57
      - I disagree. Their enemy is anybody who doesn't think the same way whether that be other (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 16:04:50
        
        I think that's a bit of a caricature (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 16:20:46
        
        Don't underestimate the power of religion in the Middle East. It's not the same as (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 17:10:42
        
        true, I just think its a bit dangerous to lump all of Isis in together (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 17:37:28
        
        No I mean ISIS is founded on a very clear philosophy. It is their raison d'?tre (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:30:30
        
        There's a lot who come back to the uk completely dissolusioned at what they've been doing (General Chat) - pants, Nov 22, 17:41:23
        
        Totally agree. Although I'm not sure those disillusioned ones would have the (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:32:07
        
        definitely could be good counter-propaganda (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Nov 22, 17:54:38
        
        Dunno about in their own community but the first part of what you said would hold for (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:36:14
        
        From what I understand communities like my area and Molenbeek are more wary of these (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 18:37:48
    - Vmt, it's not just Europe though, it's Salafists versus the world. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 22, 15:41:48
      - Indeed (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:46:26
- Long term yes, short term yes. Fucking ridiculous. And bombing is also (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:30:39
  - They have polarized opinion alright (General Chat) - SeattleSounders, Nov 22, 15:34:35
    - Or clever clever bastards... (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:38:25
- It feeds into the seige mentality the old bill may wish to spread (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 22, 15:28:09
- Long term yes, short term no. Completely understandable for a couple of weeks (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 22, 15:26:35
  - Capitalism is far from at a halt! A lot of people are gonna make a lot of money. War is (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 22, 15:28:07

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