point taken but not sure how you prove some of these things
They leave mental scarring but few physical traces. Absent intercourse or a lucky DNA sample, there is very unlikely to be any physical evidence whatsoever of child abuse even if you got in there right after the event, let alone weeks, months or years later. Even rape is difficult to get evidence for if the woman is too distressed to report it quickly enough.
So other than putting the individuals on the stand and seeing what comes out under interrogation (sorry, cross-examination), you have no hope of ever getting a conviction.
The only evidence you really have is the answers that someone gives, whether its believeable, how they react, whether they are consistent. The only way to test that evidence is to put it to the jury.
It's telling that Saville only came to light because (a) he was dead, and (b) so many people were victims and the weight of (wholly untested, wholly unproveable) individual testimony makes it likely to be true. But what if it had just been one poor girl?
And therein lies the reason why so many of these sick f**kers get away with it, and why so many victims carry the nightmares with them, unspoken, to the grave.
Posted By: CWC on September 10th 2013 at 19:08:26
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- Kevin Webster not guilty (General Chat) - norway, Sep 10, 15:26:19
- Glad for Rosie and Sophie. (n/m) (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Sep 10, 16:22:33
- Whoever at the CPS decided to take that case to court has questions to answer (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 15:44:29
- So a victim without third party evidence will never get access to justice? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 16:54:47
- I agree with you on the publicity/naming of the accused point (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 17:21:32
- Ched Evans rape case ring any bells? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 17:51:34
- Consent (knowing or reckless) is slightly different point to (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 18:11:12
- point taken but not sure how you prove some of these things (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 19:08:26
- Whole thing raises deep moral and legal issues but (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 19:41:08
- point taken but not sure how you prove some of these things (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 19:08:26
- Consent (knowing or reckless) is slightly different point to (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 18:11:12
- Ched Evans rape case ring any bells? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 17:51:34
- Exactly that (n/m) (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 17:00:16
- I agree with you on the publicity/naming of the accused point (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 17:21:32
- Must have missed your tenure as a crown prosecutor (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 10, 16:00:08
- Re: no physical evidence (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 15:57:42
- Asked and answered JCC. (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 10, 16:26:20
- didn't hall admit it? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:00:36
- Only after denying it and having the CPS take the case to court. (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 16:07:49
- I didn't say it was but (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:16:59
- More evidence was brought forward as part of a review of the case. (n/m) (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 16:23:25
- They must have had absolutely nothing before then (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:31:53
- Was it always your dream to be a crown prosecutor? (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 10, 16:39:45
- That the best you can do? (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:48:48
- You want me to make an *effort*? (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 10, 16:54:41
- on that basis everyone on here dreams of being a referee (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:41:28
- Whoosh (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 10, 16:42:18
- oh ffs it's you 2 flirting against isn't it?! (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:43:41
- Whoosh (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 10, 16:42:18
- That the best you can do? (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:48:48
- 'On the basis of no proper evidence' (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 16:36:41
- The CPS were wrong then weren't they (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:48:25
- We will have to disagree but I think you've just applied the wrong test on the CPS (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 16:54:26
- sorry but I'm not applying the wrong test (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 17:00:41
- We will have to disagree but I think you've just applied the wrong test on the CPS (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 16:54:26
- The CPS were wrong then weren't they (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:48:25
- Was it always your dream to be a crown prosecutor? (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 10, 16:39:45
- They must have had absolutely nothing before then (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:31:53
- Sorry that was in response to the post re physical evidence (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:18:02
- More evidence was brought forward as part of a review of the case. (n/m) (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 16:23:25
- yeah but didn't this case rely on it (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:11:56
- I didn't say it was but (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 10, 16:16:59
- and there were multiple accusers not just one (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:02:05
- Only after denying it and having the CPS take the case to court. (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 10, 16:07:49
- So a victim without third party evidence will never get access to justice? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 16:54:47
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