Well in WC 2002 they just scraped through the group

And in 98, they drew with Chile (equalizing in the 85th min).
Euro 2004 they didn't get out of their group.

Granted WC 2006 and Euro 2000 were ok, but that's not a great record for arguably the best team in Europe.

Posted By: yarmyyarmy on June 10th 2008 at 11:02:22

Message Thread

Hackett agrees goal was onside (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 10:43:02
- Yes, but more importantly... (Other Football) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 10, 11:45:05
- For once I agree with Pants (Other Football) - Jim, Jun 10, 11:26:09
  - what are you talking about? (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 11:30:46
    - It's an odd part of the Law, but he got it right... (Other Football) - Declan, Jun 10, 11:52:21
      - But he didn't step behind his own goal line (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 12:05:00
        
        I guess... (Other Football) - Declan, Jun 10, 12:30:07
    - I don't agree - they got it wrong and are now trying to justify it (Other Football) - Jim, Jun 10, 11:49:36
  - He wasnt injured though! (n/m) (Other Football) - Yellalee, Jun 10, 11:27:15
    - Yes he was he was lying on the floor and did not get up again for a while (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, Jun 10, 11:31:29
      - So he went down, sat there, and then got up again - self-healing? (Other Football) - Yellalee, Jun 10, 11:34:15
        
        Actually, you can see on the highlights that when the goal went in (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 11:38:36
        
        I liked the post match interview with Kuyt ... (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Jun 10, 11:41:17
        
        agree - the italians aren't making an issue of it really (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 10, 11:40:31
        
        probably to have a good swing at me (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 12:10:29
- excellent highlights from the Beeb. Make it look like it was all Italy in the second half (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 11:25:00
  - Halfy-halfy Italy and Holland really, second half. (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Jun 10, 11:31:35
    - agreed. And first half an hour was all Holland. They played really well. (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 11:32:35
      - Even looking at the Beeb's 12 mins highlights makes you realise what a good game it was (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 11:35:39
        
        we've had our moments (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 10, 11:37:38
        
        Yup (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 11:39:46
  - They became more robust, and went at Holland (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:30:04
    - Agreed - once that third went in straight after a good period of Italian pressure (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Jun 10, 11:37:54
      - No, but in this thread opinion is all that matters, not objective fact (Other Football) - BerlinCanary, Jun 10, 11:52:22
        
        You mean like Scholes not being red carded at wigan? (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 12:03:51
        
        Brizzle (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 12:15:39
  - it was indeed mainly Italy in the second half (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 10, 11:27:36
  - He's a slightly more skilfull Robert Rosario (n/m) (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 11:26:38
- Another point is that had the Italian defenders been aware of the rule... (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 11:17:43
  - Dunno - I doubt he would be that quick-thinking, surely? (Other Football) - Yellalee, Jun 10, 11:20:22
    - exactly!!! (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:24:10
      - You may well be right (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 11:26:14
        
        Can you take the straight jacket off me now? (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:27:29
        
        For now... (n/m) (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 11:45:03
    - He got up to some shenanigans when the offside rules were refined a couple of years ago. (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 11:22:10
- Had a HOOOOOGE argument (Other Football) - mike_the_sphinx, Jun 10, 11:05:07
- Didn't know that. (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 10:50:17
  - It was a mistake, and they know it was, but they'll always cling the last straw (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 10:55:21
    - Surely they know the rules though - how can it be a mistake? (Other Football) - Yellalee, Jun 10, 10:59:39
    - Much as I love your conspiracy theories, pants (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 10:56:52
      - Hackett sings from the same hymn sheet week in week out on the fa (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 10:58:35
        
        Wait a minute... (Other Football) - BerlinCanary, Jun 10, 11:02:07
        
        So if a player from now on, is getting lengthy treatment behind the goal for say about 5 (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:06:08
        
        no because he is being treated - it can't be that hard to understand surely? (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 10, 11:39:30
        
        I have no idea (Other Football) - BerlinCanary, Jun 10, 11:37:45
        
        No, I just find it strange that the rule book is being waved furiously (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:50:30
        
        blimey pants you do spout a lot of guff on this stuff (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 11:55:16
        
        haha, I'm getting marvin'd (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:57:08
        
        This is brilliant (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 11:11:05
        
        if he is getting treatment... (Other Football) - Rofl_Harris, Jun 10, 11:08:29
        
        You don't get permission to leave the field (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:09:42
        
        have you ever actually played football? (Other Football) - Rofl_Harris, Jun 10, 11:14:36
        
        diddums (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:17:03
        
        You do (n/m) (Other Football) - Yellalee, Jun 10, 11:12:18
        
        In that case, there's a standard rule breached about 100 times a match (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:14:18
        
        when? (Other Football) - Rofl_Harris, Jun 10, 11:17:35
        
        diddums (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:18:18
        
        you've officially lost it mate (Other Football) - Rofl_Harris, Jun 10, 11:20:30
        
        diddums (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:21:35
        
        You do need permission to leave the field (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 11:10:31
        
        If he's been given permission by the ref to recieve treatment (Other Football) - mike_the_sphinx, Jun 10, 11:08:07
        
        Amazing the officials have spent years bending the offside rule from (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:11:43
        
        he is not inactive (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 10, 11:14:57
        
        That's the one woolly bit to me in this... (Other Football) - Yellalee, Jun 10, 11:18:02
        
        This is why I think in the aftermath (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:20:41
        
        I don't see it as chest-puffing from UEFA (Other Football) - Yellalee, Jun 10, 11:23:43
        
        Fair do's, for me I welcomed the goal (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:25:34
        
        that only makes them like you then... (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 10, 11:23:26
        
        I talk about refs having a good game quite a lot actually (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:26:17
        
        why do you even bother watching football? (Other Football) - Rofl_Harris, Jun 10, 11:22:49
        
        diddums (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:26:31
        
        Why manipulate the offside rule so much then if it's so black and white (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:16:27
        
        Well, yes (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 11:12:39
        
        diddums (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:17:10
        
        The goal was offside imo (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:04:12
        
        You see, this is exactly the point you become annoying and frustrating... (Other Football) - BerlinCanary, Jun 10, 11:45:04
        
        I've explained why above (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:54:57
        
        They're often wrong, just like anyone else. Just not this time. (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 11:56:56
        
        Yet they were wrong with the RVN incident (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:58:48
        
        Look... (Other Football) - BerlinCanary, Jun 10, 12:14:47
        
        Not once have I mentioned any conspiracy in the slightest (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 12:17:10
        
        come on guys (Other Football) - Rofl_Harris, Jun 10, 11:05:56
        
        diddums (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 11:06:41
        
        but last night's decision was a) correct and b) made sense (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 10, 11:00:45
        
        what if he's - shock of shocks - just pointing out the rules here? (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 10:59:48
        
        i'm sure Wimbledon scored a goal like that against us years ago... (Other Football) - Rofl_Harris, Jun 10, 11:01:44
        
        different for an attacker though (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 10, 11:06:12
        
        good point.... (Other Football) - Rofl_Harris, Jun 10, 11:07:13
  - that's a myth... (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 10, 10:52:54
    - Well in WC 2002 they just scraped through the group (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 11:02:22
    - Is it? (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 10:54:09
- Did Roeder meet hackett about D'Urso and us losing to Bristol? (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 10:45:39

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