I still favour Plato's republic

(seriously)

One of my school friends is an MP. He ran his own business and then did that alongside being a local counsellor.

I think there's a difficulty with the party system. The way you need to pay your dues in order to get on a list to be selected to run leads to the difficulties you are discussing. You have to toe the line to progress.

One thing I think would help massively is to detach local politics entirely from party politics. When you're electing counsellors you could just remove the party names from the voting slip. This would help to make sure that people who gave a s**t and worked hard for their people got in at that first level.

Posted By: Cardiff Canary on December 17th 2021 at 08:44:11

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I ve thought for some time now (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 07:49:16
- When you read that the person who has been asked to investigate all the parties (General Chat) - Trent_Canary, Dec 17, 12:49:33
- That sounds a bit condescending to suggest anyone under 35 (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 17, 10:38:00
- Blimey. A sensible grown up politics conversation (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Dec 17, 10:10:37
  - Shame it's all going to get deleted (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 17, 10:20:38
    - Rules are for the guidance of the wise (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 17, 10:26:10
  - *cough* (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 10:16:53
    - Hot rum and lemon 👍 (n/m) (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Dec 17, 10:43:47
  - probably everyone over 40! :) (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 10:15:57
- morning. (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Dec 17, 09:32:08
  - and good morning to you, too (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 09:37:08
- the people get the government they deserve (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 17, 09:13:20
  - GOBB is actually Paul Weller (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Dec 17, 09:26:28
    - Ha ha ha , the wife wishes i was Paul Weller (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 17, 09:33:42
    - he thinks he's the boss (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 09:28:30
      - the funny bit is, springsteen was born in canada (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Dec 17, 09:37:03
        
        really?, that's a coincidence as Justin Bieber was too (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 09:39:31
        
        pardon (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 17, 09:38:42
        
        actually born in ontario, he keeps amending his wiki page though (General Chat) - Tombs, Dec 17, 09:44:18
        
        I see (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 17, 09:46:07
        
        🇨🇦 (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Dec 17, 09:48:27
    - Gobbfather (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Dec 17, 09:28:13
      - 🤣 (n/m) (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Dec 17, 09:32:38
  - but I don't get what this society wants I'm going underground (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 09:23:44
    - agree on Sam Fender btw top album (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Dec 17, 09:28:09
- I still favour Plato's republic (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Dec 17, 08:44:11
  - That was an episode of Yes, Prime Minister (n/m) (General Chat) - watfordcanary, Dec 17, 09:57:48
    - Prescient (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Dec 17, 10:54:24
- Funnily enough there's a law to prevent exactly this from happening (n/m) (General Chat) - NxNW, Dec 17, 08:40:32
- There is a real issue (General Chat) - Old Man, Dec 17, 08:39:49
  - Trouble is your only requirement as an mp is to be able to talk (General Chat) - trt354, Dec 17, 09:12:12
  - As a civil servant I always find it interesting (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Dec 17, 08:57:08
    - Oh I didn’t mean the civil service (General Chat) - Old Man, Dec 17, 09:05:24
      - Nifty (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Dec 17, 09:12:28
        
        Because you lot are advising on how to run things (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 17, 09:51:42
        
        But should that come out of the public purse? (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Dec 17, 10:11:50
  - Also just practical knowledge (General Chat) - camcan, Dec 17, 08:45:33
  - If only there was some way that we could all vote for who we wanted to be politicians (General Chat) - NxNW, Dec 17, 08:42:33
    - If only indeed (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 17, 09:40:22
      - Conservative With Connections?? (General Chat) - NxNW, Dec 17, 10:02:52
    - That’s the thing though (General Chat) - Old Man, Dec 17, 08:51:18
      - I'd vote for you and BWOD to lead the country (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 09:27:48
        
        Thank you 😊 but I definitely wouldn't want it. Where do people get that lust for power (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Dec 17, 10:03:50
        
        Bristol (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 10:17:26
        
        People might say that I should strive for more, but I'm so happy I can't see the point (n/m) (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Dec 17, 10:05:01
        
        In that administration I could see a gap opening up for you (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Dec 17, 09:34:39
        
        not for me, I'd cock it up (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 09:57:00
      - and yet incredibly, people still have immense faith in it (General Chat) - Tombs, Dec 17, 08:56:22
      - That last paragraph, it's the least worst option (n/m) (General Chat) - NxNW, Dec 17, 08:53:42
    - Rather depends who you're choosing between (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 08:48:35
      - If you want more say than simply voting in an election, isn't the answer to join your (General Chat) - NxNW, Dec 17, 08:58:07
      - I don’t agree with Dominic Cummings on anything much (General Chat) - Old Man, Dec 17, 08:53:24
        
        Crucially of course (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 09:54:51
        
        Tbh, we've got a six-year-old in charge now (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Dec 17, 09:57:21
        
        not for long - won't get to his 7th b'day jelly & balloons i think (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 10:00:17
        
        Wonder how long Carrie will stick around when he's an ex Prime Minister (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Dec 17, 10:02:24
        
        or how long he'll stick around, has tended to be the issue! (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 10:03:05
        
        Yes, though he's getting on a bit now (General Chat) - jamesward, Dec 17, 10:05:18
        
        It's not uniquely british (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 09:27:47
        
        I've been nodding along with agreement as I've been reading your posts OM until this one! (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Dec 17, 09:14:14
        
        She was a poor candidate (General Chat) - Old Man, Dec 17, 09:27:42
        
        She was, you're perfectly right (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 09:31:43
        
        to me (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 09:30:11
- Agreed about working first. Ideally running or owning a business and preferably an SME. (n/m) (General Chat) - BINMEN8R, Dec 17, 07:59:38
  - That’d give a very narrow outlook (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 17, 09:27:31
    - vimto (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 17, 09:30:33
  - That, or anything at all (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 17, 08:03:55
    - Totally agree. The "career politician" is just trouble. (n/m) (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Dec 17, 08:25:14

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