that's what it comes down to isn't it

Having read it a few times the Johnson offer isn't a million miles away from what I suspect will happen in practice vis-a-vis the border in a No Deal scenario. We can't have border infrastructure, but we can't have no checks at all, so the next best thing is the sort of checks envisaged in the Johnson deal.

And I'll go out on a limb and say that, after the first few months of chaos have settled down and the UK and EU have come to ad hoc agreements on the main friction points, the real world relationship between the EU & UK won't be too dissimilar to the main provisions of the WA.

So for me the Johnson deal is about as good as I think we or the EU are going to get.

If the UK & EU genuinely can't find workarounds on the margins (eg the Stormont consent issue - strikes me that you should always have to vote positively to change the status quo) then I can't see how you can ever have a deal that isn't simply the EEA and BRINO, so it's a straight toss up between Revoke or No Deal, for me Clive.

Posted By: CWC on October 2nd 2019 at 20:12:55

Message Thread

Do it’s an NI only backstop on offer then but with the NI Assembly being able to (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:21:50
- without seeing the detail, May's WA already has a similar mechanism (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 15:58:51
  - The issue they are going to have is that the proposals don;t say what happens if (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:30:54
  - The DUP would never accept that. It literally goes against their main reason for existence (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:30:23
    - Catch up Worzel! (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:42:00
      - Now I've read all about it I can firmly say (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 21:02:56
    - And yet they have accepted this, knowing presumably that come any future decision they (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:33:38
      - blimey, so it seems. But the point still stands (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:42:18
        
        But the point is its not. Between them the nationalists and the "other" groups hold the (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:50:49
        
        “a nation being basically held to the decision of a group of radical fuckwits and (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 16:46:11
        
        very much so. If there's any kind of border infrastructure, they'll destroy it (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:49:51
        
        So much for not giving in to terrorism eh! (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:55:54
        
        customs union and single market *is* the sensible compromise (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:04:11
        
        Well under these proposals standards/customs won;t be diverging will they (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:09:30
        
        if the NI don't vote to keep in the arrangement. (there really is a difference on this) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:12:53
        
        The UK cannot and should not live with an arrangement whereby NI is indefinitely subject (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:21:55
        
        interesting thread on this on twitter... (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 17:24:46
        
        Smugglers pretty insignificant (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:06:20
        
        the smuggling is how the paramilitaries will fund themselves (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:10:05
        
        They fund themselves already (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:14:26
        
        so you want to open up lucrative new markets for them, so they can expand their operation? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:20:06
        
        Cheers (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:28:48
        
        i've set out the plan for a united kingdom of great britain and ireland (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 17:44:25
        
        i've seen a few tory MPs seriously suggest something similar (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 19:18:27
        
        Tombs for PM (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:54:58
        
        cheers you can be my attorney general (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 18:10:56
        
        If we do leave with no deal (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 16:52:12
        
        that's what it comes down to isn't it (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 20:12:55
        
        one would hope so. The last thing anyone wants is the troubles to kick off again (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:59:10
        
        Think its more a Union of radicals including Ireland holding the UK to ransom over NI (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:47:35
        
        Or devolving the future decision of NI to the NI assembly which sounds quite democratic (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:44:39
  - Obviously the big issue is ideological/polictical but I've always thought that potentially (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:28:52
- Surely the termination option makes it worthless as an actual backstop? (General Chat) - mr carra, Oct 2, 15:25:28
  - maybe they trust the NI govt more than the UK Govt? (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 16:02:54
    - i've read elsewhere that it's vote to opt-in rather than opt-out (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 16:30:37
      - But its not the DUP its the Northern Ireland Assembly surely? (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:34:59
        
        not semantics at all - if a vote fails it means leave the agreed arrangements (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 16:54:33
        
        Well clearly that sort of loophole would need to be covered and (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:06:32
        
        which accoring to wikepedia is split 40 (Unionists), 39 (Nationalists), 11 (others) (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:36:51
  - That woudl I presume be the bit they expect some negotiation on but for me time limiting (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:31:27
    - Although the EU/ROI won;t want the DUP having control so maybe it would have to (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:40:41
      - just get the RoI to join the UK and let them have the Irish Punt back, easy. (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 15:59:54
- So! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:22:09

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