not semantics at all - if a vote fails it means leave the agreed arrangements

if Stormont isn't sitting?

presumably that's leave by default?

a majority in NI could be for remain (as was the case in the referendum, and so is/was the clear mandate) but there still be more seats won by a leave party such as the DUP

also due to sectarianism the GFA has almost built in a veto for both sides in Stormont, so a majority isn't needed to vote against something (yeah, i'm hazy on the details!)

Posted By: Ralf Scrampton on October 2nd 2019 at 16:54:33

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Do it’s an NI only backstop on offer then but with the NI Assembly being able to (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:21:50
- without seeing the detail, May's WA already has a similar mechanism (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 15:58:51
  - The issue they are going to have is that the proposals don;t say what happens if (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:30:54
  - The DUP would never accept that. It literally goes against their main reason for existence (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:30:23
    - Catch up Worzel! (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:42:00
      - Now I've read all about it I can firmly say (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 21:02:56
    - And yet they have accepted this, knowing presumably that come any future decision they (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:33:38
      - blimey, so it seems. But the point still stands (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:42:18
        
        But the point is its not. Between them the nationalists and the "other" groups hold the (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:50:49
        
        “a nation being basically held to the decision of a group of radical fuckwits and (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 16:46:11
        
        very much so. If there's any kind of border infrastructure, they'll destroy it (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:49:51
        
        So much for not giving in to terrorism eh! (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:55:54
        
        customs union and single market *is* the sensible compromise (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:04:11
        
        Well under these proposals standards/customs won;t be diverging will they (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:09:30
        
        if the NI don't vote to keep in the arrangement. (there really is a difference on this) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:12:53
        
        The UK cannot and should not live with an arrangement whereby NI is indefinitely subject (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:21:55
        
        interesting thread on this on twitter... (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 17:24:46
        
        Smugglers pretty insignificant (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:06:20
        
        the smuggling is how the paramilitaries will fund themselves (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:10:05
        
        They fund themselves already (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:14:26
        
        so you want to open up lucrative new markets for them, so they can expand their operation? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:20:06
        
        Cheers (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:28:48
        
        i've set out the plan for a united kingdom of great britain and ireland (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 17:44:25
        
        i've seen a few tory MPs seriously suggest something similar (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 19:18:27
        
        Tombs for PM (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:54:58
        
        cheers you can be my attorney general (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 18:10:56
        
        If we do leave with no deal (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 16:52:12
        
        that's what it comes down to isn't it (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 20:12:55
        
        one would hope so. The last thing anyone wants is the troubles to kick off again (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:59:10
        
        Think its more a Union of radicals including Ireland holding the UK to ransom over NI (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:47:35
        
        Or devolving the future decision of NI to the NI assembly which sounds quite democratic (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:44:39
  - Obviously the big issue is ideological/polictical but I've always thought that potentially (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:28:52
- Surely the termination option makes it worthless as an actual backstop? (General Chat) - mr carra, Oct 2, 15:25:28
  - maybe they trust the NI govt more than the UK Govt? (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 16:02:54
    - i've read elsewhere that it's vote to opt-in rather than opt-out (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 16:30:37
      - But its not the DUP its the Northern Ireland Assembly surely? (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:34:59
        
        not semantics at all - if a vote fails it means leave the agreed arrangements (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 16:54:33
        
        Well clearly that sort of loophole would need to be covered and (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:06:32
        
        which accoring to wikepedia is split 40 (Unionists), 39 (Nationalists), 11 (others) (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:36:51
  - That woudl I presume be the bit they expect some negotiation on but for me time limiting (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:31:27
    - Although the EU/ROI won;t want the DUP having control so maybe it would have to (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:40:41
      - just get the RoI to join the UK and let them have the Irish Punt back, easy. (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 15:59:54
- So! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:22:09

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