Obviously the big issue is ideological/polictic al but I've always thought that potentially

the backstop is a massive win for NI. Effectively it had the potential to become the UK's bolthole/gateway to the EU with presumably the possibility for firms to open up satellite offices there etc. IF the DUP could see past the ideology.

I would say this latest proposal is about as close as you will get to them doing so but the "Stormont lock" is clearly going to be the issue. Whether the two sides can negotiate something satisfactory on that 9or something that at least has the vague appearance of being satisfactory for both sides) is the big question.

Of course you also come back to do the EU want a whole load of sh*t guaranteed at the end of October or do they take a position where there might be a load of sh*t in 5, 10 years time and decide that is the lesser of two evils on the basis that you would hope that by that point it will either be working so NI won't want to leave or if it isn't and they do they will have had that time to work out how to deal with the border.

Posted By: Jim on October 2nd 2019 at 16:28:52

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Do it’s an NI only backstop on offer then but with the NI Assembly being able to (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:21:50
- without seeing the detail, May's WA already has a similar mechanism (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 15:58:51
  - The issue they are going to have is that the proposals don;t say what happens if (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:30:54
  - The DUP would never accept that. It literally goes against their main reason for existence (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:30:23
    - Catch up Worzel! (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:42:00
      - Now I've read all about it I can firmly say (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 21:02:56
    - And yet they have accepted this, knowing presumably that come any future decision they (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:33:38
      - blimey, so it seems. But the point still stands (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:42:18
        
        But the point is its not. Between them the nationalists and the "other" groups hold the (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:50:49
        
        “a nation being basically held to the decision of a group of radical fuckwits and (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 16:46:11
        
        very much so. If there's any kind of border infrastructure, they'll destroy it (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:49:51
        
        So much for not giving in to terrorism eh! (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:55:54
        
        customs union and single market *is* the sensible compromise (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:04:11
        
        Well under these proposals standards/customs won;t be diverging will they (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:09:30
        
        if the NI don't vote to keep in the arrangement. (there really is a difference on this) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:12:53
        
        The UK cannot and should not live with an arrangement whereby NI is indefinitely subject (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:21:55
        
        interesting thread on this on twitter... (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 17:24:46
        
        Smugglers pretty insignificant (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:06:20
        
        the smuggling is how the paramilitaries will fund themselves (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:10:05
        
        They fund themselves already (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:14:26
        
        so you want to open up lucrative new markets for them, so they can expand their operation? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 17:20:06
        
        Cheers (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:28:48
        
        i've set out the plan for a united kingdom of great britain and ireland (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 17:44:25
        
        i've seen a few tory MPs seriously suggest something similar (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 19:18:27
        
        Tombs for PM (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 17:54:58
        
        cheers you can be my attorney general (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 18:10:56
        
        If we do leave with no deal (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 2, 16:52:12
        
        that's what it comes down to isn't it (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 20:12:55
        
        one would hope so. The last thing anyone wants is the troubles to kick off again (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 2, 16:59:10
        
        Think its more a Union of radicals including Ireland holding the UK to ransom over NI (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:47:35
        
        Or devolving the future decision of NI to the NI assembly which sounds quite democratic (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 2, 16:44:39
  - Obviously the big issue is ideological/polictical but I've always thought that potentially (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:28:52
- Surely the termination option makes it worthless as an actual backstop? (General Chat) - mr carra, Oct 2, 15:25:28
  - maybe they trust the NI govt more than the UK Govt? (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 2, 16:02:54
    - i've read elsewhere that it's vote to opt-in rather than opt-out (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 16:30:37
      - But its not the DUP its the Northern Ireland Assembly surely? (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:34:59
        
        not semantics at all - if a vote fails it means leave the agreed arrangements (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 2, 16:54:33
        
        Well clearly that sort of loophole would need to be covered and (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 17:06:32
        
        which accoring to wikepedia is split 40 (Unionists), 39 (Nationalists), 11 (others) (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 16:36:51
  - That woudl I presume be the bit they expect some negotiation on but for me time limiting (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:31:27
    - Although the EU/ROI won;t want the DUP having control so maybe it would have to (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:40:41
      - just get the RoI to join the UK and let them have the Irish Punt back, easy. (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 2, 15:59:54
- So! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 2, 15:22:09

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