the depressing state of affairs for me

is how right wing politics is in Europe at the moment.

I favour staying in the EU right now, because it is left of the Tories and is acting as something of a handbrake on them. The depressing thing is that EU economic policy is still way to the right of what I would like, but it is the lesser of two evils for the forseeable future.

Posted By: Mecagoenti on May 19th 2016 at 20:11:23

Message Thread

So how will you be voting in the referendum? Stay or Leave the EU? and what about your.... (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 18:30:44
- In (n/m) (NCFC) - revsimon, May 19, 22:34:05
- Innit (n/m) (NCFC) - Jumbo1, May 19, 21:05:01
- Remain because the Tories can't be trusted. Tories even want to scrap human rights (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 19, 20:28:39
- i won't (NCFC) - Tombs, May 19, 20:11:49
- Stay, through gritted teeth (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 19:59:39
  - I enjoyed your post. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 20:04:05
- I'm fundametally opposed to the EU (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 19, 19:52:40
  - Employment rights is one of my main reasons to remain (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 20:00:41
    - Very true. Do you trust the Tories to maintain employees rights if we are out of the EU? (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 20:05:29
      - Do I fuck. They've done away with most of what they can (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 20:08:51
        
        Realistically, we will have a Tory government for at least 2 more terms. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 20:11:12
        
        One more, but then who knows...... But let's be clear (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 20:14:03
        
        Those workers rights are enshrined in our laws so they would have to repeal them (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:20:18
        
        I think TUPE would disappear pretty quickly for one (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 20:40:58
        
        Yeah, because they've never done that before, have they. You have your vote (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 20:29:34
        
        Yes. We disagree. That's fine. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:56:43
  - that doesnt make sense (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 19, 19:59:26
    - to summarise for you: (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 19, 20:04:15
      - Such a depressing state of affairs that people feel like that (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:06:01
        
        the depressing state of affairs for me (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 19, 20:11:23
        
        How right wing it is?! Europe has been run by majority of left wing govs for decades (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, May 19, 20:32:46
        
        there has been only one truly left wing government in Europe in about the last 25 years (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 19, 20:37:30
- I'm an inny. (n/m) (NCFC) - bird table, May 19, 19:12:47
- I certainly don't think it's black and white (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 19:11:53
  - Migration is a perfectly legitimate point and it's not really about (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:33:25
    - Why do you think it'll be any different on exit? (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 20:03:34
      - I think we would (or certainly should) have a coherent system that allows (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:08:00
    - FullFact is a fantastic site and entirely impartial (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 19:41:17
      - That's simply not correct (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:01:09
        
        A lot of noise in that article but not a huge amount of substance. (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 20:40:24
        
        There is huge substance but it's been swept under the carpet (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 21:25:36
        
        And now, this is entire conjecture on your part. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 21:47:47
        
        What is conjecture? (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 22:14:04
    - and how many of them leave again Jim? many come over here, work a few months and then leav (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 19:40:50
      - I'm sure quite a few stay for a while then go home for a bit then come back again. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:22:07
        
        and then go again? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 20:44:12
    - Take in benefits rather (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:33:44
  - Exactly. Its all a bit "tit for tat". (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 19:26:07
- BMTP..... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 19, 19:08:48
  - Or thereabouts (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 20:00:18
- remain (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 19:06:30
- you make it sound like being lower working class is something to be ashamed of. (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 19, 19:01:18
  - some are. many aren't. (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 19, 19:12:02
  - says the man who 'insulted' me recently by saying I earned minimum wage (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 19:06:31
    - yeah, I probably need to be "Shot in the face". (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 19, 19:20:36
      - agreed (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 19:26:50
        
        i think we just found out another one of norway's usernames lol 😂 (n/m) (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 19, 19:31:41
        
        shouldn't you be stalking him? (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 19:36:13
  - No, not at all. It just that many of them are narrow minded and ignorant. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 19:05:17
- Out. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:00:57
- Old man did a really good summary of the pros and cons a couple of months ago (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 18:57:28
  - please don't tell you have a vote on this matter (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 19, 19:43:03
    - my opinion isn't based on the shite and lies I read in the Mail (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 20:00:45
- Stay (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, May 19, 18:55:30
- In. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, May 19, 18:55:16
- Stay (n/m) (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, May 19, 18:53:41
- Never wanted to join, voted against in the first referendum. Seen nothing (NCFC) - dennis moore, May 19, 18:53:34
  - being in the EU doesn't stop you trading with the world. see Osborne's brown-nosing of Chi (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 19:10:54
- I'm a remainer (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 18:43:23
- I'm still on the fence. I have done more reading on the subject than average (NCFC) - Tony Martin, May 19, 18:41:46
  - the Euro hasn't failed, though the Eurozone countries have made a very good go at getting (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 19:13:37
    - most ill informed comment I've ever seen (NCFC) - Tony Martin, May 19, 20:29:30
      - the policies adopted by Eurozone members have been wrong and nearly ripped the eurozone ap (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 21:05:13
        
        I agree with TM so do a lot of key commentators inc your face paper: (NCFC) - Sonic, May 19, 21:41:54
        
        give yourself a lolly then (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 22:38:05
    - Certainly hasn't failed for Germany (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 20:06:12
  - Not necessarily the case you lose those first two pros if we leave. In fact highly likely (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:05:11
    - With respect Jim, the 'in' campaign are yet to invoke Hitler in their arguments. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 19:14:18
      - Thing is as soon as anyone mentions Hitler in any context (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:29:15
  - Interesting, thanks. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 18:46:19
    - on fence too (NCFC) - pab, May 19, 19:01:52
- its between me and the ballot box (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 19, 18:32:53
  - how to make friends and influence people, by GOBB (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 18:53:06
  - Thank you. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 18:35:53

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