I certainly don't think it's black and white

but I take the view that the status quo should be retained unless the argument to rip it up is strongly made. I don't think that argument is being strongly made.

Instead we are being fed lowest common denominator stories about migration. The idea that hordes of marauding benefit seekers are draining the country simply doesn't make sense when in fact, EU migrants pay more in taxes than they take out in benefits. That net sum is about ?2 billion a year.

Otherwise, in terms of trade, sovereignty etc, there is absolutely nothing being said that, to me, logically, suggests Brexit would be in our best interests.

I m genuinely open to hearing the case... but where is it?

So... that's me.

Posted By: norway on May 19th 2016 at 19:11:53

Message Thread

So how will you be voting in the referendum? Stay or Leave the EU? and what about your.... (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 18:30:44
- In (n/m) (NCFC) - revsimon, May 19, 22:34:05
- Innit (n/m) (NCFC) - Jumbo1, May 19, 21:05:01
- Remain because the Tories can't be trusted. Tories even want to scrap human rights (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 19, 20:28:39
- i won't (NCFC) - Tombs, May 19, 20:11:49
- Stay, through gritted teeth (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 19:59:39
  - I enjoyed your post. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 20:04:05
- I'm fundametally opposed to the EU (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 19, 19:52:40
  - Employment rights is one of my main reasons to remain (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 20:00:41
    - Very true. Do you trust the Tories to maintain employees rights if we are out of the EU? (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 20:05:29
      - Do I fuck. They've done away with most of what they can (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 20:08:51
        
        Realistically, we will have a Tory government for at least 2 more terms. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 20:11:12
        
        One more, but then who knows...... But let's be clear (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 20:14:03
        
        Those workers rights are enshrined in our laws so they would have to repeal them (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:20:18
        
        I think TUPE would disappear pretty quickly for one (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 20:40:58
        
        Yeah, because they've never done that before, have they. You have your vote (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 20:29:34
        
        Yes. We disagree. That's fine. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:56:43
  - that doesnt make sense (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 19, 19:59:26
    - to summarise for you: (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 19, 20:04:15
      - Such a depressing state of affairs that people feel like that (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:06:01
        
        the depressing state of affairs for me (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 19, 20:11:23
        
        How right wing it is?! Europe has been run by majority of left wing govs for decades (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, May 19, 20:32:46
        
        there has been only one truly left wing government in Europe in about the last 25 years (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 19, 20:37:30
- I'm an inny. (n/m) (NCFC) - bird table, May 19, 19:12:47
- I certainly don't think it's black and white (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 19:11:53
  - Migration is a perfectly legitimate point and it's not really about (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:33:25
    - Why do you think it'll be any different on exit? (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 20:03:34
      - I think we would (or certainly should) have a coherent system that allows (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:08:00
    - FullFact is a fantastic site and entirely impartial (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 19:41:17
      - That's simply not correct (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:01:09
        
        A lot of noise in that article but not a huge amount of substance. (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 20:40:24
        
        There is huge substance but it's been swept under the carpet (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 21:25:36
        
        And now, this is entire conjecture on your part. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 21:47:47
        
        What is conjecture? (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 22:14:04
    - and how many of them leave again Jim? many come over here, work a few months and then leav (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 19:40:50
      - I'm sure quite a few stay for a while then go home for a bit then come back again. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 20:22:07
        
        and then go again? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 20:44:12
    - Take in benefits rather (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:33:44
  - Exactly. Its all a bit "tit for tat". (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 19:26:07
- BMTP..... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 19, 19:08:48
  - Or thereabouts (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 20:00:18
- remain (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 19:06:30
- you make it sound like being lower working class is something to be ashamed of. (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 19, 19:01:18
  - some are. many aren't. (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 19, 19:12:02
  - says the man who 'insulted' me recently by saying I earned minimum wage (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 19:06:31
    - yeah, I probably need to be "Shot in the face". (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 19, 19:20:36
      - agreed (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 19:26:50
        
        i think we just found out another one of norway's usernames lol 😂 (n/m) (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 19, 19:31:41
        
        shouldn't you be stalking him? (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 19:36:13
  - No, not at all. It just that many of them are narrow minded and ignorant. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 19:05:17
- Out. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:00:57
- Old man did a really good summary of the pros and cons a couple of months ago (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 18:57:28
  - please don't tell you have a vote on this matter (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 19, 19:43:03
    - my opinion isn't based on the shite and lies I read in the Mail (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 20:00:45
- Stay (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, May 19, 18:55:30
- In. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, May 19, 18:55:16
- Stay (n/m) (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, May 19, 18:53:41
- Never wanted to join, voted against in the first referendum. Seen nothing (NCFC) - dennis moore, May 19, 18:53:34
  - being in the EU doesn't stop you trading with the world. see Osborne's brown-nosing of Chi (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 19:10:54
- I'm a remainer (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 19, 18:43:23
- I'm still on the fence. I have done more reading on the subject than average (NCFC) - Tony Martin, May 19, 18:41:46
  - the Euro hasn't failed, though the Eurozone countries have made a very good go at getting (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 19:13:37
    - most ill informed comment I've ever seen (NCFC) - Tony Martin, May 19, 20:29:30
      - the policies adopted by Eurozone members have been wrong and nearly ripped the eurozone ap (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 21:05:13
        
        I agree with TM so do a lot of key commentators inc your face paper: (NCFC) - Sonic, May 19, 21:41:54
        
        give yourself a lolly then (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 19, 22:38:05
    - Certainly hasn't failed for Germany (NCFC) - CWC, May 19, 20:06:12
  - Not necessarily the case you lose those first two pros if we leave. In fact highly likely (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:05:11
    - With respect Jim, the 'in' campaign are yet to invoke Hitler in their arguments. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 19, 19:14:18
      - Thing is as soon as anyone mentions Hitler in any context (NCFC) - Jim, May 19, 19:29:15
  - Interesting, thanks. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 18:46:19
    - on fence too (NCFC) - pab, May 19, 19:01:52
- its between me and the ballot box (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 19, 18:32:53
  - how to make friends and influence people, by GOBB (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, May 19, 18:53:06
  - Thank you. (n/m) (NCFC) - jimbo, May 19, 18:35:53

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