is it any different to 2009 when 40% dropped out before starting?

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If the 40% figure is from the ATL annual conference, then their drop out rate includes those who dropped out after completing training together with those who dropped out after actually starting in a school. the psot-training drop out rate seems to the be the same as in 2009 under Labour.

I won't pretend to know how all of these various stats are compiled and what is actually being compared from year to the next (I suspect it's apples and oranges and therefore meaninglesS) but there seems to be a fairly consistently high attrition rate regardless of the colour of the government of the day.

Posted By: CWC on March 31st 2015 at 14:08:29

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40% of new teachers leave within a year of qualifying. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 13:24:07
- Some teachers though are just militantly anti the Tories and I think that attitude fuels (General Chat) - Jim, Mar 31, 18:50:20
  - Sorry Jim. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 20:20:15
  - A lot of truth in this. (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Mar 31, 18:53:53
- Speaking as an atypical NQT+1 (General Chat) - Winged Eel Creosote, Mar 31, 18:47:02
  - That's the spirit! (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 20:24:41
    - ask me that in a year (n/m) (General Chat) - Winged Eel Creosote, Mar 31, 21:14:03
  - yep. i think though that the pressure from ofsted (General Chat) - Joe Strimmer, Mar 31, 20:12:17
    - Yup. Absolutely. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 20:23:37
- My social circle includes 4 teachers... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Mar 31, 18:44:29
- I loved Teaching..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 31, 17:16:10
- but..,. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 31, 15:07:20
  - Same argument mentioned below. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 15:18:55
    - But the fact that folk are making the effort (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 16:06:06
      - that... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 31, 16:25:26
        
        Agree. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 16:30:14
    - but again you could argue... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 31, 15:42:12
- Stats to suit your argument - (General Chat) - KentonCanary, Mar 31, 14:39:39
  - An element of that too. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:44:07
    - It's a very small world we live in..... (General Chat) - KentonCanary, Mar 31, 15:10:11
      - Away at the moment, will do when I get back. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 15:21:43
        
        Cheers will do (n/m) (General Chat) - KentonCanary, Mar 31, 15:47:36
- I think that many teachers do not have a broad perspective in life (General Chat) - Claygate_Canary, Mar 31, 14:20:38
  - Don't disagree. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:27:16
    - tho... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 31, 15:52:35
      - in fairness though (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 31, 16:11:04
        
        nope.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 31, 16:26:34
        
        Working hours are just longer (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Mar 31, 18:59:58
- is it any different to 2009 when 40% dropped out before starting? (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 31, 14:08:29
  - Much greater drop-out now. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:19:17
    - is it party political though? (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 31, 15:44:14
- that seems a high rate of attrition is it really that bad a place to work? (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 31, 14:01:41
  - It is a real struggle for the first year. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:04:05
    - the down turn means that people who normally (General Chat) - Joe Strimmer, Mar 31, 20:14:13
    - would a change in govt not just bring even more disruption? (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 31, 14:11:47
      - Hunt promised no changes to curriculum (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:16:31
        
        i don't know who hunt is (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 31, 14:20:54
        
        Mike? (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 31, 20:14:04
        
        Was a discussion around target setting at a conference . (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:30:34
        
        oh dear (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 31, 14:40:04
        
        Blimey! (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:49:18
        
        only joking (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 31, 15:15:26
        
        True! (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 15:22:57
    - wifes school became an academy. she hates it now. used to love her job (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Mar 31, 14:06:32
      - Let me guess... (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:12:54
        
        some of the academy chains are nuts... (n/m) (General Chat) - Joe Strimmer, Mar 31, 20:15:11
        
        fakenham (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Mar 31, 14:23:33
        
        TEN Group. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:31:22
- a lot of that to do with people initially seeing teaching as an easy career to get into (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Mar 31, 13:54:57
  - I've heard the same thing. (General Chat) - lurd, Mar 31, 14:20:13
    - Teachers should work hard. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:33:14
      - Can I ask what's changed to make it so hard? (General Chat) - lurd, Mar 31, 14:37:43
        
        Constantly moving goalposts. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:47:55
  - I think that's a fair point. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:05:08
- Just out of interest do you know the number of new teachers qualifying 5 years ago to now? (General Chat) - Meh, Mar 31, 13:51:06
  - Don't know the figures. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:06:52
- When I was a young 'un teachers only changed during the summer holibobs (General Chat) - harry boulders, Mar 31, 13:45:29
  - Any time they crack up... (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 14:08:20
    - again... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 31, 15:44:30
      - That's what I meant by workplace. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Mar 31, 16:31:29
        
        austerity is hurting.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 31, 16:35:27

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