I detect a slight change in as much as

newly promoted clubs seem less likely to be regulated in their first season nowadays than in the earlier years of the PL (don't have the stats to back this up, it's just my impression). A big factor is 'momentum', Gary. We had positive momentum under Lambert, which carried us through the Championship in one season, and helped us to get enough points to be safe pretty early in our 1st PL season.
Now I fear we have negative momentum, and next season will be a hard slog- all depends on what happens now in terms of playing and coaching staff.

CTID x

Posted By: Nelsons final flanel on May 8th 2014 at 11:39:28

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Outside the top 7 in the Prem (NCFC) - paulg, May 8, 11:15:39
- Yes, I was thinking this regarding lots of mentions of "Established Premier League club" (NCFC) - bird table, May 8, 11:25:59
  - I detect a slight change in as much as (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:39:28
    - Agree with all of this. You're bang on regarding the Big Mo (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 11:54:30
      - so the momentum is self generating then? borne out of circumstance? (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 11:59:46
        
        We badly, badly need new blood and fresh ideas in that boardroom (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:05:15
        
        i agree to a degree (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 12:09:57
        
        but where does a cup run fit into the momentum theory? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:03:45
        
        Yes it should. Hence my bewilderment at the attitude of so many managers (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:06:34
        
        that was really disgraceful by Southampton (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:11:26
        
        Lambert as well... we were safe as houses when we played Leicester (NCFC) - phrankin, May 8, 12:30:52
        
        two schools of thought i suppose (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 12:05:57
        
        yeah, seems that way. Unfortunately looks as though our board/managers (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:09:57
        
        Absolutely bang on the money. And a SHOCKING implied criticism of Hughton there too ;) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:11:49
        
        Indeed, that and the weakened team against Fulham in the cup (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:16:10
        
        And speaking of that Villa game, did you ever read this Meca? (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:15:51
        
        yeah, I remember reading it at the time (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:20:42
        
        " leaves your best, most influential player, Wes Hoolahan, on the sidelines" (NCFC) - phrankin, May 8, 12:24:52
    - further to this, I remember (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:46:19
      - Yep, Villa supposedly about to be sold. That can go one of two ways. (NCFC) - bird table, May 8, 11:53:47
      - Yes. I was raging at that at the time! Maybe he's not so clueless after all (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 11:49:06
    - I suppose the point is that 'established' doesn't mean 'immune from relegation' (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 11:43:52
      - Yep VMT Swansea too (n/m) (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:49:57
        
        West Brom surely. (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 11:52:33
        
        Nope. Swansea, Hull and Burnley. Hull have only *just* stayed up after their best season (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 11:56:05
        
        Yes, you' re right (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 11:59:08
        
        Can't believe Monk will keep them up over a full season. I think their board are slowly (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:01:15
        
        True. It will be interesting to see what kind of summers WBA and Swansea have. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 12:03:29
  - Villa and Chelsea were both second division sides when I was younger (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 11:34:19
    - Will they though? (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:48:59
    - how Everton have avoided being relegated at least once I'll never know (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, May 8, 11:36:37
      - See "Segers, Hans" (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 11:49:29
      - Dodgy goings on on at least one occasion(?) (n/m) (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:42:08
  - or a cup win/european jolly (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 11:28:20
    - we don't bother with them any less than anyone else (NCFC) - mr carra, May 8, 11:35:49
      - good oh, i'd trade a 8-10 year stint in the prem for one cup/euro jolly (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 11:52:11
        
        Hmmmmm (NCFC) - Yellalee, May 8, 12:03:27
        
        oh my days (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 12:23:04
- That's right - our natural position I would think is bottom third prem - top third Champs (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 8, 11:18:38

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