Villa and Chelsea were both second division sides when I was younger

Not that long ago!

Chelsea were s**t for years.

It's only the old, traditional 'big five' that have been immune - albeit you can probably assume Chelsea and City will now be there for all time.

Posted By: norway on May 8th 2014 at 11:34:19

Message Thread

Outside the top 7 in the Prem (NCFC) - paulg, May 8, 11:15:39
- Yes, I was thinking this regarding lots of mentions of "Established Premier League club" (NCFC) - bird table, May 8, 11:25:59
  - I detect a slight change in as much as (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:39:28
    - Agree with all of this. You're bang on regarding the Big Mo (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 11:54:30
      - so the momentum is self generating then? borne out of circumstance? (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 11:59:46
        
        We badly, badly need new blood and fresh ideas in that boardroom (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:05:15
        
        i agree to a degree (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 12:09:57
        
        but where does a cup run fit into the momentum theory? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:03:45
        
        Yes it should. Hence my bewilderment at the attitude of so many managers (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:06:34
        
        that was really disgraceful by Southampton (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:11:26
        
        Lambert as well... we were safe as houses when we played Leicester (NCFC) - phrankin, May 8, 12:30:52
        
        two schools of thought i suppose (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 12:05:57
        
        yeah, seems that way. Unfortunately looks as though our board/managers (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:09:57
        
        Absolutely bang on the money. And a SHOCKING implied criticism of Hughton there too ;) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:11:49
        
        Indeed, that and the weakened team against Fulham in the cup (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:16:10
        
        And speaking of that Villa game, did you ever read this Meca? (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:15:51
        
        yeah, I remember reading it at the time (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 12:20:42
        
        " leaves your best, most influential player, Wes Hoolahan, on the sidelines" (NCFC) - phrankin, May 8, 12:24:52
    - further to this, I remember (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:46:19
      - Yep, Villa supposedly about to be sold. That can go one of two ways. (NCFC) - bird table, May 8, 11:53:47
      - Yes. I was raging at that at the time! Maybe he's not so clueless after all (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 11:49:06
    - I suppose the point is that 'established' doesn't mean 'immune from relegation' (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 11:43:52
      - Yep VMT Swansea too (n/m) (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:49:57
        
        West Brom surely. (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 11:52:33
        
        Nope. Swansea, Hull and Burnley. Hull have only *just* stayed up after their best season (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 11:56:05
        
        Yes, you' re right (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 11:59:08
        
        Can't believe Monk will keep them up over a full season. I think their board are slowly (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 12:01:15
        
        True. It will be interesting to see what kind of summers WBA and Swansea have. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 12:03:29
  - Villa and Chelsea were both second division sides when I was younger (NCFC) - norway, May 8, 11:34:19
    - Will they though? (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:48:59
    - how Everton have avoided being relegated at least once I'll never know (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, May 8, 11:36:37
      - See "Segers, Hans" (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 8, 11:49:29
      - Dodgy goings on on at least one occasion(?) (n/m) (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, May 8, 11:42:08
  - or a cup win/european jolly (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 11:28:20
    - we don't bother with them any less than anyone else (NCFC) - mr carra, May 8, 11:35:49
      - good oh, i'd trade a 8-10 year stint in the prem for one cup/euro jolly (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 11:52:11
        
        Hmmmmm (NCFC) - Yellalee, May 8, 12:03:27
        
        oh my days (NCFC) - Tombs, May 8, 12:23:04
- That's right - our natural position I would think is bottom third prem - top third Champs (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 8, 11:18:38

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