There wasn't any holding. He stood his ground.

But the fact we disagree just illustrates the point that this was not a decision that should have been referred to VAR because its not a clear and obvious error. VAR would absolutely swamp the game if it re-referees every subjective close call. And my point anyway is that has been frustratingly inconsistent. I have watched every game and there have been tons of more clear obvious errors ignored by VAR, yet some very soft decisions have been overturned. And if it was really wanting to clamp down on manhandling in the box as you say, there have been hundreds more egregious examples than the German one, so again its been inconsistent. Im more confused than ever what VAR wants to achieve. The problem I believe is we have 3 people sat in the VAR box, and human nature means some of them just can't help themselves getting involved, and then they show biased angles to the on-field ref when other angles suggest otherwise.

Posted By: Jimbocharles on July 3rd 2026 at 17:04:44

Message Thread

That Croatia decision shows why VAR is mostly terrible (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 12:04:50
- just likely laddsed the highlights off (Other Football) - Tombs, Jul 3, 12:36:34
  - Just did the same (Other Football) - Under soil heating, Jul 3, 13:47:05
- I disagree. Offside is a question of fact (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 3, 12:25:52
  - Var has been an inconsistent mess this tournament. (Other Football) - Jimbocharles, Jul 3, 12:50:45
    - It has been excellent (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 13:00:30
      - No. Inconsistent. Why is it referring really tight subjective decisions? (Other Football) - Jimbocharles, Jul 3, 13:06:42
        
        He had his 2 arms on the keeper (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 13:36:44
        
        Disgraceful holding!! Lol. OK.... you must be trolling at this point (n/m) (Other Football) - Jimbocharles, Jul 3, 16:07:25
        
        You don’t find all the holding we’ve seen in recent seasons (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 16:30:22
        
        There wasn't any holding. He stood his ground. (Other Football) - Jimbocharles, Jul 3, 17:04:44
        
        I was clearly talking generally (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 17:43:55
        
        And even the referee expert in studio said it wasn't a pen in his view (n/m) (Other Football) - Jimbocharles, Jul 3, 17:06:31
  - Ok on that basis should we extend it to every decision? Throw ins, corners etc to ensure (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 12:35:37
    - I don't see a quest for rule purity; I see a quest for consistent decision making (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 3, 13:28:26
      - There are a number of things I don't like about VAR (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 16:38:35
    - Same goes for cricket, tennis etc (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:42:58
      - You didn't answer the question. Should we use it for throws and corners? (n/m) (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 12:48:03
        
        Not throw ins defo (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:50:52
        
        Ok so 'accurate decisions' don't matter in every situation. Interesting. (n/m) (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 15:24:04
        
        That’s what I expected you to say (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 18:03:42
    - Well we don’t know whether in was inconsequential. We’ve just moved subjectivity further (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 12:40:50
      - Seems like he’s got more accurate tech than FIFA (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:43:35
  - Stands up to applaud (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:28:30
    - Yet you love xG which is clearly a subjective stat... (Other Football) - usacanary, Jul 3, 15:13:00
- It will be the biggest shame if the world cup is won on a decision like that (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Jul 3, 12:15:34
  - Wouldn't a much bigger shame be if the World Cup were won by an offside goal? (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 3, 13:29:26
  - Yep (n/m) (Other Football) - Jumbo1, Jul 3, 12:20:34
- It clearly shows many fans are stupid (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:12:06
  - Well you make an interesting argument. Firstly, yes the chip may well determine beyond (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 12:20:33
    - How would adding subjectivity improve things? (n/m) (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 3, 12:29:19
      - Surely that’s removing subjectivity?! (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 12:33:43
        
        Advantage or no advantage is subjective. (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 3, 13:16:16
        
        Your example is indeed subjective but this would not be. If it can be proven that the (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 13:35:19
        
        When you introduce the concept that some kind of touches are ok and some are not (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 3, 13:43:53
        
        That’s exactly what it needs (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 13:45:30
        
        We'll have to agree to disagree (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 3, 13:50:07
        
        +1 (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 13:55:38
        
        What’s the obsession with hair lol (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 13:38:48
        
        Reminds me of the toenail stuff people invented (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 13:39:05
      - Exactly would just provide more controversy (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:31:01
        
        They faked the snicko spike (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 3, 12:31:24
        
        Because Ronaldo must stay in the comp (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:45:14
        
        Got to make it look real by not faking everything (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 3, 12:46:51
        
        Seems like you’re wide awake pal (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:47:33
    - Saw something about it measuring other stuff (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:24:08
      - Only if you automate a manual process. But if you want to improve the purpose of (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 12:31:08
        
        Yeah let’s subjectively decide if an advantage was ‘fair’ (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:32:28
        
        It’s not subjective though is it? Currently you’ve got one objective assertion from a (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 12:37:02
        
        No offside isn’t about getting an advantage (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:46:37
        
        It’s the entire point of offside. So this is often the cause of failure in (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 12:55:36
        
        It was originally tbf (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 3, 12:48:39
        
        Yes but the here and now is what matters (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:53:38
  - Who says that football needs to be as accurate as cricket? Nonsense logic. (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 12:15:28
    - Incredible (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:19:57
      - “You don’t know the extent of the nick” (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 12:59:50
        
        The tech says he touched it (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 13:04:03
        
        Hmmm. Thats a bit of a shift. But yes they probably would but would have no grounds for it (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 13:12:43
    - Marginal nicks are the same in either sport (Other Football) - norwaay, Jul 3, 12:18:11
      - It wasn't a nick though. It was indicernable to the naked eye (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 12:25:23
        
        Loads of nicks are like that (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:27:14
        
        Some cricket nicks are also though (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 3, 12:27:05
        
        and before tech would have been given not out, so it's not dissimilar (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 3, 12:27:33
        
        Football is not cricket. Nicks clearly far more important in cricket (n/m) (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 12:36:48
        
        They really aren't (Other Football) - norwaay, Jul 3, 13:06:24
        
        I disagree. Had the spin or trajectory changed so slightly that it was not (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 3, 13:03:30
        
        There are loads of important nicks in football (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:52:10
        
        ^^^^^ GIVE YOUR HEADS A WOBBLE LADS ^^^^ (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 3, 15:27:03
- Vimto - it is killing the game for fans in the stadium (Other Football) - Jumbo1, Jul 3, 12:07:15
  - He's just rage baiting thou. (n/m) (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Jul 3, 12:16:04
  - Yeah the Portugal fans were devo (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 3, 12:12:43

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