Once teams worked us out after their initial surprise...

the 4-2-3-1, even with Emi, was utterly hopeless last time too (1 solitary goal in those last 10 games). The tippy tappy possession stuff was never going to create anything at this level with players we could afford. The seeds for this season's disaster were laid last season when we went to an even more slow and deliberate tippy tappy possession based approach than we had for the 18/19 promotion. That approach can only work if you can consistently dominate with 60-70% possession, and while we could do that in the Champs we never will at Prem level. We needed to be faster, more direct and more physical and we needed to start being that last year.

Posted By: mr carra on January 13th 2022 at 10:28:16

Message Thread

One thing that I think is clear from this season: you can’t change your team / style (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 13, 10:15:29
- Idah showed some promising signs yesterday (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 13, 10:57:45
  - Yeah I think one reason they went with Smith is he has a record of improving players (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 13, 11:29:46
  - yep. one of the few positives (NCFC) - munter, Jan 13, 10:58:40
- I agree with the overall point (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 10:20:14
  - agreed, and this is a major problem with the 'four year plan' (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 13, 12:34:45
    - That was my worry last time round (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 13:38:48
  - Once teams worked us out after their initial surprise... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 13, 10:28:16
    - 100% agree (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 11:46:21
      - We were definitely more solid last season (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 13, 12:49:49
        
        And on the change of style point.... (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 13:40:50
        
        Completely agree (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 13, 14:39:11
        
        Doubt we'd have gone up without Emi though (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 13:44:26
        
        Totally agree - him staying was magnificent (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 13:48:31
        
        We were more conservative, yes.... (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 13:37:28
        
        You need to have a properly quick / shit hot (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 12:53:09
        
        You also need to be able to organise a low block (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 13, 12:55:43
    - I think this is a good point (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 13, 10:30:25
      - Farke’s style relied on dominating the ball with more skilful players than the opposition. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 11:38:42
      - which is why we need to be working on that new style now/next season (NCFC) - CWC, Jan 13, 10:46:41
        
        Yeah that’s kind of my point (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 13, 11:36:06
        
        Brentford a case in point, although think they'll still finish bottom 6 (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 11:47:34
        
        Absolutely (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Jan 13, 12:05:43
        
        Absolutely this, our problem in a nutshell (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Jan 13, 11:41:43
        
        We have the basis of a good championship team (NCFC) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 13, 10:56:57
        
        Hanley has to go? (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Jan 13, 11:18:39
        
        the lad at Coventry ..... McCallum (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Jan 13, 11:08:19
        
        I meant signed from Coventry. I couldn't think were he went to after without googling (n/m) (NCFC) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 13, 11:13:05
        
        Had surgery on a hamstring (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 11:09:33
        
        ok injured then ... pity a good season at QPR (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Jan 13, 11:11:58
        
        I think now we have a new manager we will (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 13, 10:52:45
        
        hope so! (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Jan 13, 10:54:53
        
        Big Andy is the new Godfrey (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 10:50:26
      - Our funding model... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 13, 10:38:00
  - We shouldn't of spunked millions on 3/4 players and changing a system (NCFC) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 13, 10:24:49
    - I think it's daft to think that if we couldn't do it with Emi.... (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 11:47:54
      - Bargain basement? Two players at 10 million a pop hardly basement levels (NCFC) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 13, 11:55:57
        
        It is compared to Emi (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 11:58:23
        
        I do get what you are saying (NCFC) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 13, 12:08:25
    - Dowell and Cantwell struggle in the wide positions in a 433 (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Jan 13, 10:40:34
    - Changing the system... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 13, 10:30:12
      - Yes (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 10:34:03
        
        And people wonder why Todd's not happy. (NCFC) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 13, 10:39:05
        
        How many teams at the lower end of the prem, which is the best Todd is going to get.... (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Jan 13, 13:45:29
        
        Playing him right wing in a 4-3-3 (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 10:43:09
        
        I think the squad was set up to play either system (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Jan 13, 11:28:21
      - Exactly, changing mindset and relying on new players (NCFC) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 13, 10:33:59
        
        Forcing Gilmour to play as a DM when he is really an AM (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 13, 10:40:41
    - Of we done that? (n/m) (NCFC) - NorskyNormann, Jan 13, 10:26:20

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