This is the thing.

This debate has gone from you calling me thick and stating there was massive delays, that we were only a couple weeks behind Italy, to you now presenting some facts.

These facts are a quote which said that Patrick Vallance say sage recommended changes on the 18th March.

Om 10th March the often quoted Chelternham Festival happened... so before that advice

On the 16th March the government advised everybody who can WFH and that non essential travel is stopped. At that time various business - cinema chains, theatres etc stopped. We are basically in at least partial lockdown at this point.

On the 18th March Patrick vallance says some level of recommendation happened

On 23rd March, full lockdown.

Without knowing more facts, it could point to ~5 day "delay" by the government to go from a partial lockdown to full lock down. But thats hardly massive delays and considering people like me were WFH it doesn't fit the rhetoric that the government weren't doing anything for weeks.

What we do agree upon is that the "scientists haven't been great" as you put it!

So

Posted By: CommonSensePolice on September 10th 2020 at 17:56:28

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No 2 son is ill (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Sep 10, 12:18:03
- 🤣🤣🤣🤣🔰🔰🖕 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 18:18:08
- A HUNDRED!!!!! (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 18:17:43
- I have my third covid test in a month on Monday (General Chat) - Pukki Pies, Sep 10, 15:54:05
- it's a cold mate (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 14:30:35
  - Got to say I agree with you (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 14:33:58
    - we're not and it won't (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 14:37:53
      - hmm (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 14:38:17
    - Scientifically unlikely (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 14:36:09
- Get well soon USH minor (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 10, 14:20:14
- At our school (General Chat) - Jester, Sep 10, 14:14:13
- Thats a crap situation, but... (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 14:00:49
  - You can't ignore all that they got wrong (General Chat) - marsupialman, Sep 10, 19:42:17
    - Yes, great article and... (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 20:57:00
      - If the NHS coped with the surge (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 21:29:26
        
        I mean, I was literally quoting the article (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 21:57:22
        
        The nightingales weren’t even used ffs! (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 22:18:46
        
        I'm so confused. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 22:35:09
        
        The NHS didn’t cope and the nightingales weren’t required (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 22:56:38
        
        But no I don’t think I wanted stricter lockdown like Spain and Italy (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 23:00:09
    - Far too many words you bell end.But yeah the Tories fucked up imo. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 19:50:07
      - If you're struggling with the amount of words, (General Chat) - marsupialman, Sep 10, 19:52:16
        
        Another “new” poster. (n/m) (General Chat) - Wrath analytica, Sep 10, 20:30:16
        
        Sorry I'm new :( (n/m) (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 20:58:00
        
        Rolf,whatever. The Tories deliberately gave out misinformation (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 21:14:05
        
        I'm a bit confused by what you are getting at? (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 21:21:08
        
        Uh.Uh.Yeah operation Cygnus in 2016 was in preparation for (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 21:33:24
        
        And that led to other nations not having ppe shortages? (n/m) (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 21:58:42
        
        Wow proth more informed than CSP (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 21:36:21
        
        Maybe, but it doesn't seem that way. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 22:02:41
        
        Nobody has said PPE wasn’t an issue elsewhere (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 22:23:33
  - Not sure why people think the government has done badly tbh (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 14:28:00
    - But if we ignore (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 14:32:35
      - mass death. ffs. (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 14:41:36
        
        The Srebrenica massacre was around 8000 (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 15:41:03
        
        good point. The annual flu massacre certainly puts it into perspective (n/m) (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 15:42:46
        
        We do everything we can to prevent flu deaths (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 15:51:31
        
        that's clearly not true (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 16:02:08
        
        Haha we have a vaccine (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:06:14
        
        well a vaccine is just one measure (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 16:09:06
        
        Flu deaths are an estimate (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:15:49
        
        that's my feelings as well (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 16:22:46
        
        In fairness it’s the epidemiologists guiding now (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:25:33
        
        but that's part of what's wrong (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 10, 17:17:50
        
        So government shouldn’t follow expert advice (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 17:20:36
        
        Of course they shouldn't follow it (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 18:05:56
        
        You’re pretending they design policy (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 18:46:08
        
        & I did mean that (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 10, 18:14:24
        
        I didn't mean or say that, as I think you are well aware. (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 10, 17:31:26
        
        Common sense would have saved tens of thousands (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 15:31:00
        
        You do tend to think we should have just carried on though (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 15:02:15
        
        Wrong (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 15:14:36
        
        I agree with much of that, in that case (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 15:40:27
        
        Yes common sense would have seen that happen (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 15:33:03
        
        The reality is that the virus was likely in the country earlier... (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 15:22:02
        
        FFS the issue was the spread (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 15:34:42
        
        Now you need to be honest now,if you are genuinely concerned with the spread of this vir (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 16:20:11
        
        The thing is outdoors is such low risk of transmission (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:32:34
        
        and if there's no need ... it's unlawful #justsayin ;) (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 10, 17:33:18
        
        If they've got face masks I think I'd agree. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 16:33:47
        
        I mean you don't know me or my level of intelligence... (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 15:54:50
        
        The first UK death was January 15th, symptoms of Coronavirus present Mid December.. (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 10, 18:11:42
        
        I'm not sure what data you are referring to (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 18:18:41
        
        Article from the Metro the other day (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 10, 18:26:52
        
        Just a few days delay makes a huge difference with exponential growth (General Chat) - Merrysummer, Sep 10, 16:10:31
        
        They delayed massively (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 16:03:27
        
        Exactly this (General Chat) - Merrysummer, Sep 10, 16:16:07
        
        Do you guys have any facts around what you are saying? (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 17:07:25
        
        Oi CSP (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 17:52:21
        
        Well it’s in the sage minutes and sage press briefing from mid March (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 17:24:46
        
        This is the thing. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 17:56:28
        
        Yes Vallance said that (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 18:52:36
        
        Ok, but just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 19:29:54
        
        It’s not me saying it, it’s on record ffs (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 20:43:16
        
        I’m well aware of what you posted (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 20:38:21
        
        Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 21:07:07
        
        I think places like New Zealand did (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 21:21:53
        
        From what I can gather (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 21:41:06
        
        The buck stops with the government (General Chat) - Merrysummer, Sep 10, 20:18:35
        
        I'm not defending them... And I agree that the buck stops with the government. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 20:43:28
        
        Everything he said is true (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 20:56:41
        
        Honestly, I may be ignorant... (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 21:14:04
        
        You don’t seem like you have an agenda (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 21:35:11
        
        Again, if there's specific evidence for us not following the science... (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 21:49:35
        
        Yep the rest of the world looked on in horror (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 20:42:03
        
        Another “new” poster w (General Chat) - Wrath analytica, Sep 10, 20:27:33
        
        And it wasn’t just the delay in lockdown (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 18:57:19
        
        I get the thrust of your argument, but... (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 15:28:37
        
        Yeah and I get that too. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 15:38:46
        
        Completely agree with this (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 14:55:41
        
        isn't it just (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 15:01:26
        
        yeah, it's a bit scary (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 15:16:44
        
        it's remarkable, truly remarkable (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 10, 17:38:50
        
        Isn’t 65,000 excess deaths “mass deaths”? (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 14:46:22
        
        which as a percentage increase is.....? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 14:56:37
      - Give em the benefit of the doubt I say (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 14:33:32
        
        This is part of the problem I'm highlighting (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 14:40:47
        
        People in Kent are being told to drive to Scotland for a test (General Chat) - Merrysummer, Sep 10, 14:54:48
        
        They are being told that the... (General Chat) - Jester, Sep 10, 15:04:19
        
        Spot on (n/m) (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 15:13:24
        
        This is odd though, from EDP (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 15:05:48
        
        All at the same time? (General Chat) - Jester, Sep 10, 15:29:00
        
        Sure, thats awful (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 15:00:55
  - "There have been big big failures" (General Chat) - WestYorksCanary, Sep 10, 14:21:53
    - Yes, you've just proved my point. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 14:25:38
      - The bad overwhelmingly outweighs the good ... (General Chat) - loz, Sep 10, 14:30:13
        
        Does it though? (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 14:37:35
        
        We've had the most deaths (for the size of population) and the biggest hit to our economy (n/m) (General Chat) - jampersands, Sep 10, 14:55:40
        
        Sure, but what the factors involved in that? (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 15:11:38
        
        What more could have been done in the early days? Are you for real? (n/m) (General Chat) - Merrysummer, Sep 10, 15:51:00
        
        Yes. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 17:23:37
        
        They dithered on locking down ... (General Chat) - loz, Sep 10, 15:20:57
        
        Sure, will be interesting to see if that actually contributed (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 15:30:19
        
        It’s as much about the hyperbole with which they trail things (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 14:44:13
        
        100% agree with that. (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 14:49:45
        
        Yep, pretty much this (n/m) (General Chat) - WestYorksCanary, Sep 10, 14:48:56
      - No I haven't (General Chat) - WestYorksCanary, Sep 10, 14:29:46
        
        Ok, sorry, I made an assumption there (General Chat) - CommonSensePolice, Sep 10, 14:32:24
  - Common sense lacking lol (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 14:12:48
- Time for a moonshot 11? (n/m) (General Chat) - pinkney, Sep 10, 13:38:36
- We have an incompetent government (General Chat) - jampersands, Sep 10, 13:20:10
  - it would be interesting to see your evidence (General Chat) - Henclrikus, Sep 10, 14:03:55
    - there are plenty of other governments in Europe who have handled with (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 14:30:50
      - It is faaaaaaaaaar too early to know which Govt has handled it well and which Govt hasnt (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 14:35:17
        
        I don't agree that it's far too early to draw conclusions (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 14:53:10
        
        that's a rather different argument... (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 10, 15:08:47
        
        I definitely agree with that in general (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 10, 15:29:15
    - The (in)competence of this Gov is entirely separate to what any other party would do in (General Chat) - WestYorksCanary, Sep 10, 14:14:40
      - Also separate from being Tory (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 14:16:37
    - Haha Jesus (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 10, 14:14:37
  - moi aussi. (n/m) (General Chat) - wayne, Sep 10, 13:26:13
  - I'll second this post before it get's deleted (n/m) (General Chat) - WestYorksCanary, Sep 10, 13:24:53
- Had the same problem (General Chat) - Mr Perfect, Sep 10, 13:01:46
- you should get him tested - sorry mate (n/m) (General Chat) - Joe Strimmer, Sep 10, 12:54:29
  - According to Hancock it’s our fault for asking for test (General Chat) - pinkney, Sep 10, 13:41:01
  - How. There are no tests available (n/m) (General Chat) - Mr Perfect, Sep 10, 13:08:57
- ... (General Chat) - jackamo, Sep 10, 12:32:22
  - The world has gone to shit to the extent we are getting covid diagnoses via the Sun :-( (n/m) (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Sep 10, 13:17:31
- I've got a spare test atm if you need it. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 10, 12:29:54
- Not really sure how this has happened (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 10, 12:22:01

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