the UK government are framing it as only being a problem about customs checks and a border

because on this side of the Irish Sea no body really cares about the complexity.

(which is where i started on this thread. so no, it wasn't all that we were talking about.)

the UK government need to be talking about *more* than just the border, even May recognised that - which is where the backstop came in

Posted By: Ralf Scrampton on October 3rd 2019 at 13:11:36

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Proposals are not that bad IMO. Could probably get through parliament (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 08:29:07
- As long as the criminals who make a living from border issues between (General Chat) - promethian1, Oct 3, 10:41:58
- The "Irish Border Issue" (General Chat) - paulg, Oct 3, 09:52:44
  - Best solution is to stick the border in the Irish Sea & leave NI in the Customs Union (General Chat) - mr carra, Oct 3, 11:02:06
    - That would be neater yes. Bung them some more cash! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:05:59
      - Johnson's plan already includes giving them more cash (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:27:31
  - I think it’s a question of two sets of mutually exclusive ‘red lines’ (too many words) (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Oct 3, 11:00:11
    - Good post. I still think that a NI only time limited backstop is the way out of this (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:12:14
      - Probably depends on what they think are the consequences of flexibility on the backstop (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Oct 3, 11:32:24
        
        I don;t see though how they can get a watertight backstop. They need to (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:41:03
        
        I think they will accept that (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Oct 3, 12:03:36
        
        on the flip side, I could see them agreeing it (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 3, 13:39:26
  - DUP want to keep the border (only main party to reject the GFA) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 10:35:02
- They drive a coach and horses through the GFA (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 09:27:47
  - No they don't. This nonsense should not have been allowed to be consistently (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 10:52:52
    - see below (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:29:44
      - Fair point. It just annoys me when politicians throw about "its contrary to the GFA" when (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:32:15
        
        no, the spirit of the GFA is to allow for those that feel Irish to live in Norn Iron (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:44:48
        
        Of course it is but we were talking about the border and my point was (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:47:56
        
        the UK government are framing it as only being a problem about customs checks and a border (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 13:11:36
        
        Ralf,you really should go into politics mate.i don't know who's you'd (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 3, 13:49:34
        
        Which is why they are leaving it up to NI and Ireland to decide (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 13:28:43
  - In reality thought this is a different time then it was back then (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 10:12:31
    - though* (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 10:12:45
      - By not affecting GFA i mean it was thrown out of the NI court. (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 10:21:09
        
        On the basis that it wasn't a matter for the courts but a matter between governments (General Chat) - mr carra, Oct 3, 10:27:23
        
        Which is why it doesn't affect the GFA as it is a Legal Document not a Political one. (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 11:16:51
  - How? (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 3, 09:38:41
    - it effectively gives the DUP the ability to unilaterally change the status of Norn Iron (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 10:29:16
      - Surely you just address that by saying that any Stormont vote is a simple majority? (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:04:23
        
        imagine if May hadn't lost her majority and had to rely on the DUP... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:26:24
      - gotcha (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 3, 10:51:00
        
        i guess there's a hope from some tories that an election could solve that (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:15:19
- Bit disappointed there won't be crocodile infested moat on the Irish border though.😢 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 3, 08:30:29
  - Or a moot (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 3, 08:39:09
    - Harsh but fair..😀 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 3, 08:48:58

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