Surely you just address that by saying that any Stormont vote is a simple majority?

On this issue.

This is what annoys me about this whole Brexit process.

Every time a proposal is put forward its basically declared completely unacceptable by all and sundry on the basis of one provision or one element of it. In any normal negotiation you then take that forward and say fine well looks like we have the broad basis of a deal we can d here but we need to get our heads together and come up with some tweaks to x and y.

Until now that sort of approach seems to have been pointedly missing on the Irish backstop issue. To be fair though some comments from the Irish government this morning are more along those lines and perhaps provide some scope for optimism that they can get around the table and thrash something out. Bertie Ahern spoke very well on this earlier ion the radio saying more or less than he felt they could take what is on the table and turn it into something they could all live with if they have intensive talks and everyone really wants to agree a deal.

Posted By: Jim on October 3rd 2019 at 11:04:23

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Proposals are not that bad IMO. Could probably get through parliament (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 08:29:07
- As long as the criminals who make a living from border issues between (General Chat) - promethian1, Oct 3, 10:41:58
- The "Irish Border Issue" (General Chat) - paulg, Oct 3, 09:52:44
  - Best solution is to stick the border in the Irish Sea & leave NI in the Customs Union (General Chat) - mr carra, Oct 3, 11:02:06
    - That would be neater yes. Bung them some more cash! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:05:59
      - Johnson's plan already includes giving them more cash (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:27:31
  - I think it’s a question of two sets of mutually exclusive ‘red lines’ (too many words) (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Oct 3, 11:00:11
    - Good post. I still think that a NI only time limited backstop is the way out of this (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:12:14
      - Probably depends on what they think are the consequences of flexibility on the backstop (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Oct 3, 11:32:24
        
        I don;t see though how they can get a watertight backstop. They need to (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:41:03
        
        I think they will accept that (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Oct 3, 12:03:36
        
        on the flip side, I could see them agreeing it (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 3, 13:39:26
  - DUP want to keep the border (only main party to reject the GFA) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 10:35:02
- They drive a coach and horses through the GFA (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 09:27:47
  - No they don't. This nonsense should not have been allowed to be consistently (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 10:52:52
    - see below (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:29:44
      - Fair point. It just annoys me when politicians throw about "its contrary to the GFA" when (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:32:15
        
        no, the spirit of the GFA is to allow for those that feel Irish to live in Norn Iron (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:44:48
        
        Of course it is but we were talking about the border and my point was (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:47:56
        
        the UK government are framing it as only being a problem about customs checks and a border (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 13:11:36
        
        Ralf,you really should go into politics mate.i don't know who's you'd (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 3, 13:49:34
        
        Which is why they are leaving it up to NI and Ireland to decide (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 13:28:43
  - In reality thought this is a different time then it was back then (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 10:12:31
    - though* (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 10:12:45
      - By not affecting GFA i mean it was thrown out of the NI court. (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 10:21:09
        
        On the basis that it wasn't a matter for the courts but a matter between governments (General Chat) - mr carra, Oct 3, 10:27:23
        
        Which is why it doesn't affect the GFA as it is a Legal Document not a Political one. (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Oct 3, 11:16:51
  - How? (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 3, 09:38:41
    - it effectively gives the DUP the ability to unilaterally change the status of Norn Iron (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 10:29:16
      - Surely you just address that by saying that any Stormont vote is a simple majority? (General Chat) - Jim, Oct 3, 11:04:23
        
        imagine if May hadn't lost her majority and had to rely on the DUP... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:26:24
      - gotcha (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 3, 10:51:00
        
        i guess there's a hope from some tories that an election could solve that (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 3, 11:15:19
- Bit disappointed there won't be crocodile infested moat on the Irish border though.😢 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 3, 08:30:29
  - Or a moot (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 3, 08:39:09
    - Harsh but fair..😀 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 3, 08:48:58

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