they can't Jim

the back stop is there to protect the integrity of the single market and the indivisible four freedoms, which is the be all and end all for the EU. It's what the EU is.

The back stop is necessary because the alternatives are: (a) hard border
(b) an open border through which the EU cannot control inward flow of inferior and/or cheaper goods to the detriment of their single market participants.

The EU is not going to let (b) happen. We shouldn't want it to happen either? ...

You can avoid (b) through a trade agreement that guarantees protection for the single market (as an aside, I don't see how that can be achieved without being in a full customs union). That's what the withdrawal agreement and then the backstop would largely achieve, if imperfectly and with little benefit for the UK.

But you cannot be in a position where one party simply decides that it has had enough and wants to walk away and either leave the border open or create a hard border.

If everyone is of one mind that we cannot have a hard border, you must have a backstop. If you don't want a backstop, you need to accept that it means a hard border and risking the GFA and peace in NI.

You could easily time limit a backstop if you're happy to put in a hard border. No-one is.

Posted By: CWC on January 22nd 2019 at 17:54:30

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PM: Jim (warning - brexit) (General Chat) - Dunney, Jan 22, 15:38:48
- 😔 (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jan 22, 23:49:31
- What he said ☝️ (n/m) (General Chat) - Worthing Yellow, Jan 22, 18:44:28
- I disagree (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jan 22, 18:10:59
  - I am shocked (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jan 22, 18:17:39
- Great post pal. (n/m) (General Chat) - MIKEWALKER, Jan 22, 17:44:05
- We really won't starve if we leave you know. (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jan 22, 17:37:32
- I'm sorry but its absolutely the case that the EU could compromise on the backstop (General Chat) - Jim, Jan 22, 17:05:26
  - they can't Jim (General Chat) - CWC, Jan 22, 17:54:30
    - They can (General Chat) - Jim, Jan 22, 18:54:24
  - Every thing you say is just another version of (General Chat) - Dunney, Jan 22, 17:43:50
    - Not really and don;t see why your tone needs to be so aggressive (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Jan 22, 18:42:54
      - Yes really (General Chat) - Dunney, Jan 22, 19:23:36
        
        I get your stance is that you want the Uk to remain (General Chat) - Jim, Jan 22, 19:47:03
        
        Erm (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jan 22, 19:57:06
        
        Can you give me one actual known - not a maybe, possibly or wish list- benefit of Brexit (General Chat) - Dunney, Jan 22, 19:56:08
        
        Agree with most of what you say (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jan 22, 19:35:10
        
        That's fair comment (General Chat) - Dunney, Jan 22, 19:45:19
        
        But you still managed a lovely old generation, this is where you and many (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jan 22, 20:53:45
        
        Generalisation * (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jan 22, 20:54:26
- she's either incompetent or rivalling Machievelli for cunning (General Chat) - CWC, Jan 22, 16:33:19
  - I agree too, totally out of her depth. (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jan 22, 17:34:30
    - because she isn't really a Remainer (General Chat) - CWC, Jan 22, 18:13:08
  - I agree with all that other than I would say that (General Chat) - Jim, Jan 22, 17:11:29
- It’s not the why people voted for it that’s the issue for me. (General Chat) - APB, Jan 22, 16:20:50
- Well put (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Jan 22, 16:17:56
- The Brexit people voted for (General Chat) - The Editor of Milk, Jan 22, 16:16:59
  - ............. (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 22, 16:21:03
- Bravo (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jan 22, 16:07:43
- Very many good words (General Chat) - Moritz Moutarde, Jan 22, 15:56:17
  - IFriday. Will continue your good work (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Jan 22, 18:04:24
    - FFS. Will be back in Berlin on Friday. The rest of that post is Herr Bollocks (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Jan 22, 18:05:31
- Cameron should be strung up from a lamp post like Mussolini was (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jan 22, 15:49:16
  - Yes , all this mess is down to him. (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, Jan 22, 16:06:21
  - Metaphorically, of course (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jan 22, 15:50:02
- Very well put. (General Chat) - Newcastle Canary, Jan 22, 15:48:21

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