bit of a straw man there

of course if we spend money like there is no tomorrow, we could easily end up in serious trouble.

But I'm pretty sure that is not what Jim is suggesting. If we spent the same money as we have done this season on players ready to play in the Championship, who could immediately complement the likes of Maddison, Oliveira, Tettey and Gunn, we would not have been any worse financially. Even if those players were season long loans or older players. Instead we chose to spend it on rebuilding a squad which, according to Webber, won't be ready to really compete until after 3 or 4 transfers windows. Perhaps not an outright admission that we weren't really going for promotion this season, but at least an acknowledgement that it wasn't the primary consideration.

There was clearly another option than spending recklessly or massive overhaul with loads of unproven players, like we have done. Whether or not the results would have been any better is of course debatable, but it's certainly a valid viewpoint imo.

Posted By: Mecagoenti on March 7th 2018 at 13:23:09

Message Thread

Looking at the table just makes it more frustrating (NCFC) - Jim, Mar 7, 09:43:41
- Go and and have a wank. Far more productive than worrying about this load of old squit (n/m) (NCFC) - thirsty work, Mar 7, 11:37:03
- The same Mitrovic who is on 50k+ a week? (NCFC) - Waz, Mar 7, 10:55:31
  - short term loans are pointless though (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 12:05:46
    - Not if you have an option to buy if get promoted (NCFC) - Jim, Mar 7, 12:42:54
      - we were 13th, fulham were in 7th and 8 points ahead (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 12:53:43
  - For 20 weeks. £1m cost. In any event Mitrovic was an example (NCFC) - Jim, Mar 7, 11:29:53
    - Our only chance going forward is to... (NCFC) - usacanary, Mar 7, 14:23:10
    - The sale of these players is plugging a huge hole in our finances, (NCFC) - Waz, Mar 7, 12:53:29
    - vmt - we spent more on signing Srbeny than Fulham have on loaning Mitrovic (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 11:36:30
      - Both approaches are gambles (NCFC) - CWC, Mar 7, 12:53:20
        
        I'm not sure one of them had a greater downside potential than the other (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 13:05:10
        
        if we get relegated with our current approach the debts will still be manageable (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:13:37
        
        bit of a straw man there (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 13:23:09
        
        you've extrpolated a long way from Jim's original post there about what he means (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:48:59
        
        well, this isn't his only post on the subject (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 13:57:17
        
        as his differing posts on short-term loans proves - yes it does change (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:21:53
        
        you're caricaturing his arguments again (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 14:37:01
        
        lolf! any loan can be beneficial or any loan can turn out to be shit (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:53:07
        
        I never said that, I was talking about Leitner (NCFC) - Jim, Mar 7, 15:24:40
        
        it was in a post referring to Lietner's signing but your exact words were (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 15:53:20
        
        they read what they want to read (NCFC) - Jim, Mar 7, 14:02:22
        
        we read the conspiracy theories and question them, for sure (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 15:05:38
        
        We’ve had our share of bad luck to key injuries to Klose and Pritchard (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 14:04:57
      - How do we know this?... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 12:01:39
        
        we have spent quite a lot (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 12:58:42
        
        We are not skint because we have had to sell 30m pound worth of players ... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 13:11:52
        
        The sales are irrelevant in this context though (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 13:16:32
        
        Well plenty to suggest that at least some of them will be a success ... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 13:37:58
        
        sure, some of them will probably be successful (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 14:00:48
        
        Well we have officially the poorest owners in the championship ... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 14:02:58
        
        but we're not skint (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 14:31:50
        
        They’ve not sold millions and millions of pounds worth of players though and ... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 14:52:00
        
        but that's irrelevant to the argument of whether or not we are skint (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 15:07:31
        
        if we'd have bet all the money of gambling on promotion this season (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 15:17:29
        
        Then we have to sell an extra player in the summer and you accept that because we'd at (NCFC) - Jim, Mar 7, 15:29:41
        
        unless we signed another Naismith or Jarvis... (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 16:15:48
        
        another straw man (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 15:28:57
        
        it's not a fucking strawman (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 15:58:45
        
        that's not the same as saying gambling all the money on promotion (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 16:42:14
        
        Would be a bit odd not to give 100% support to your CEO and manager (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 7, 17:13:44
        
        well, obviously that would be a bit odd (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 17:19:39
        
        nice back-peddaling, super work you're doing there (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 16:58:43
        
        I think you've got confused (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 17:15:46
        
        not me being confused... (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 17:23:43
        
        in that case, we are in agreement (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 17:52:20
  - ^What he said. (n/m) (NCFC) - bird table, Mar 7, 11:28:17
  - 👍👍👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - Dunney, Mar 7, 11:01:19
  - Very much this 👍🔝 (n/m) (NCFC) - Worthing Yellow, Mar 7, 11:00:13
- Get a hobby Jim. You need some thing else to think about (NCFC) - CB41, Mar 7, 10:24:08
  - yeah cos you clearly have a varied lfe trhe time (NCFC) - asics_kit, Mar 7, 11:31:13
    - well he has varied usernames! (n/m) (NCFC) - Men without hats, Mar 7, 17:44:59
  - why do you think he needs something else to think about? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Mar 7, 10:31:59
    - its Jim, he's not a happy clapper like a lot on here. (NCFC) - Men without hats, Mar 7, 17:47:13
- We’re a below average champ side (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 7, 10:02:56
  - We have a better players than anyone bar Wolves, Boro and perhaps Fulham (NCFC) - Jim, Mar 7, 10:26:42
    - Not sure we have better players than Derby or Villa as well (NCFC) - earlydoors, Mar 7, 11:18:35
      - Sunderland have 'better' players in their starting XI than us IMO. (n/m) (NCFC) - Waz, Mar 7, 11:26:12
    - dropping nelson (NCFC) - paulg, Mar 7, 10:53:13
    - it's not just about quality of players though, but the type of players (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 7, 10:38:53
      - We are short of a striker or two yes, thats Webber's fault and indicative (NCFC) - Jim, Mar 7, 10:50:16
        
        That first para is utter rot (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Mar 7, 13:00:26
        
        Hahahaha (n/m) (NCFC) - Dunney, Mar 7, 11:00:34
        
        If your best striker isn’t training properly then why... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 10:56:16
        
        Imagine how Farke would have managed grant holt (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 7, 11:04:44
  - Imagine thinking this team could catch up 10 points (NCFC) - Charles21, Mar 7, 10:11:11
- Forget about players like Mitrovic, there is no way we will pay his wages (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Mar 7, 10:02:14
- Just give it up pal (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Mar 7, 09:57:43
- We never look like scoring until we go behind lately. (n/m) (NCFC) - hoolahan, Mar 7, 09:49:05

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