Some excellent points, however

As a trained teacher who now works in the private sector I would have more respect for the whole state idea if there was better accountability. I'm not saying private does it better however the devilish thing about the market it it filters out the bad. Thats why the Tories want it.

Teachers today seem to believe that unless you have a degree you are not worthy of the post. That is plainly rubbish. The training I received did not require a degree and to honest the best training would be in avoid conflict and social skills with young adults. You don't get that in a a degree. I now work with computers and I know of many engineers who are amazing at developing software with very little formal education who would be amazing at teaching those skills to the young.

Bad teachers never get sacked. They have fought valiantly for many years to avoid any kind of performance measurement especially in relation to pay. It doesn't happen in the real world where the majority don't get a pay rise every year and cant really expect one either.
My main point I suppose is that all the frothing about Grammars seems to ignore the sorry state the supposed Comprehensive miracle is. I have been there and taught in them. It isn't the answer either.

Posted By: Basingstoke_Canary on September 9th 2016 at 15:05:27

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RE The Tories plans for schools (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Sep 9, 13:44:23
- Some sweeping statements and assumptions in there. I take it you support Corbyn. (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Sep 9, 14:19:06
  - Absolute tosh. Start to finish. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 9, 15:21:46
    - did say last night grammar schools to allow up to 25% from lower income families (NCFC) - Men without hats, Sep 9, 16:32:59
  - Sweeping statements like "bog standard comprehensives" (NCFC) - phelans tash, Sep 9, 14:49:44
  - Put it like this............................... (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Sep 9, 14:44:36
    - ...private company would have take money out of the school (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Sep 9, 15:10:15
    - Some excellent points, however (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Sep 9, 15:05:27
      - Come late to this but....... (NCFC) - Tressells Broadbrush, Sep 9, 19:01:27
        
        No words to describe how much I love this post. Thank you. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 10, 00:06:21
      - Absolutely agree on bad teachers; My ex is a Compo Head Teacher....... (NCFC) - Kirrie, Sep 9, 16:04:54
        
        She needs to get better HR advice. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 9, 17:28:51
        
        That's rubbish actually. (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris, Sep 9, 18:49:23
        
        You've obviously never been responsible for having to try and sack a bad teacher! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Sep 9, 18:33:56
        
        Many, many times. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 9, 19:35:47
      - So you are an unqualified failed state school teacher... (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 9, 15:24:32
        
        Its nigh oin impossiblt to get rid of bad teachers unless they are looking for a pay-off.. (NCFC) - Kirrie, Sep 9, 16:07:08
        
        Not in my experience. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 9, 17:30:03
        
        Most d hooks have to and the Union almost always takes the teachers side. (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Sep 9, 18:35:17
        
        That's the job of the Union. But they're often not right. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 9, 19:38:19
        
        Most heads ffs! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Sep 9, 18:35:39
        
        Teaching 30 years ago However my kids experince bad teachers every day (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Sep 9, 15:27:08
        
        From my own experience at least one year for 20 years. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 9, 15:48:22
      - Comprehensives aren't being held up as some miracle cure though, Grammar schools are (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 9, 15:13:57
        
        Yes vthey are and they have been since the 60s when they were the reason to remove Grammar (n/m) (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Sep 9, 15:28:27
        
        at this moment in time the return to Grammar schools are being held up as a 'miracle cure' (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 9, 15:51:30
    - Excellent points (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Sep 9, 14:47:23
  - "Far more people got to University from lower class homes when Grammar schools existed" (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 9, 14:39:19
    - Like the evidence that Comps have improved social mobility you mean? (n/m) (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Sep 9, 14:58:43
      - i'm not the one making that claim. Do you have evidence to back you claim up please? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 9, 15:11:02
        
        Personal experience:- first generation to go to Uni (NCFC) - Basingstoke_Canary, Sep 9, 15:25:12
        
        8% eligible for free school meals in grammar school areas (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 9, 15:42:59

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