the Greece thing is actually an interesting issue

I (and I suspect you do to) think Greece should be given debt relief, otherwise th problem is never going to go away.
The fact that they haven't however is actually evidence of democratic accountability - the lenders (especially Merkel as the main one) have to be accountable to the public for their actions. Imagine the Sun headlines, for example, if debt relief was given - "EU gives OUR money to Greece and doesn't ask for it back".

Incidentally I also agree with you (I think I said this earlier) that the EU does have a democratic deficit. Because for legitimacy from the public a democracy has to be seen to be working democratically. It is not enough for the EU to actually operate democratically - it has to be VISIBLY operating democratically. And it isn't. Some of that is the EU's fault and some of it is not (media coverage etc.). But it definitely needs to be addressed. Tearing the thing up isn't the solution though.

Posted By: mr carra on June 23rd 2016 at 08:56:16

Message Thread

Happy Britain staying in the EU day (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 00:00:20
- nope. (n/m) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Jun 24, 06:35:03
- Its kind of Trumpish..........that......... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 23, 00:41:47
  - I disagree (General Chat) - hoolahan, Jun 23, 00:51:07
    - People who work on oil rigs are out of touch and quitters? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 05:43:10
      - What a stupid ill-informed comment! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jun 23, 11:16:00
      - A lot of people who work on rigs tend to be more of a right wing voter (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Jun 23, 08:14:19
        
        Tosh! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jun 23, 11:16:41
        
        It's the way you put it. Guys offshore work very hard.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jun 23, 11:46:04
        
        No, it's the truth, based on my own experiences of course. (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Jun 23, 11:19:40
        
        Can believe it (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 08:20:04
      - Based on what (n/m) (General Chat) - hoolahan, Jun 23, 05:55:00
        
        Working in the middle of the sea (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 06:05:03
    - I just can't comprehend why (General Chat) - matgore, Jun 23, 03:56:17
      - Wow! That's a scarily ignorant post, which shows why this referendum was a bad idea (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 07:20:49
        
        That's not really true though is it (General Chat) - matgore, Jun 23, 07:38:53
        
        the Turkey refugee deal and 'treatment of Greece' were agreed by the EU Council (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 08:11:22
        
        That isn't the same thing at all (General Chat) - matgore, Jun 23, 08:20:37
        
        the Greece thing is actually an interesting issue (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 08:56:16
        
        Surely you can say exactly the same thing about The House of Lords (General Chat) - lurd, Jun 23, 08:21:50
        
        No, it is effectively true (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 08:01:08
        
        ... (General Chat) - matgore, Jun 23, 08:29:24
        
        that seems to be a propaganda leaflet (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 08:35:02
    - It tells me your sample is much smaller than mine....... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 23, 01:08:50
    - That you are turkeys voting for Christmas? (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 23, 01:05:33
      - I think the BS on either side is overblown. (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 23, 01:16:33
        
        Uncertainty and nervousness will stifle the economy for a couple of years (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 23, 07:30:29
        
        And what's the point of even risking it? (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 23, 01:45:01
        
        Yes but I'm not aware of any country (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 23, 01:26:45
- Fucking hope so. When will the result be known? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Jun 23, 00:09:02
  - Should have decent indication by around 3-4am (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 00:17:08
  - Friday morning. (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 23, 00:14:15

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