Wow! That's a scarily ignorant post, which shows why this referendum was a bad idea

Hard to know where to start, but:

"If a government here becomes corrupt or unpopular we can vote it out. After today that will no longer be the case."

How is that remotely the case?? What vote that you do now currently have are you going to lose if we stay in?

"If it changes and you don't like after today we will be stuck with it."
That is only true of a Leave vote. We did not need EU permission to hold this referendum. We could have another one and leave at any time in the future. They have no power to stop us. However if we vote to Leave and subsequently don't like it we WOULD need their permission to get back in, so that is the option we are more likely to be stuck with if it goes wrong.

"voting to be ruled from abroad by an unelected cabal of bankers and beurocrats"
The EU is no more ruled by unelected bankers and bureaucrats that ours (Westminster has loads of unelected bureaucrats). But ALL EU laws and regulations have to be passed by the European Parliament and/or the Council of Ministers, both of which arte composed entirely of elected officials.

If people really believed that the EU controls our lives and our parliament is powerless the logical thing to do would be to pay more attention to EU Parliamentary elections than our own. But people don't - turnover in the EU elections is always notoriously low and then used largely as a protest vote against our own government. If the EU has a democratic deficit (and it does) is it not because people do not have a democratic voice, it is because in their ignorance (and this is to a large extent because of media coverage - how much attention is given to EU parliamentary debates in UK media??) they CHOOSE not to exercise it.

Incidentally I don't blame you for your ignorance. The coverage of the EU (as I stated above) in UK media is VERY poor (and in a lot of cases, such as the Murdoch press, deliberately distorted), which is why so many people claim not to understand the issues and are thus very vulnerable to catchy soundbites.

Posted By: mr carra on June 23rd 2016 at 07:20:49

Message Thread

Happy Britain staying in the EU day (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 00:00:20
- nope. (n/m) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Jun 24, 06:35:03
- Its kind of Trumpish..........that......... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 23, 00:41:47
  - I disagree (General Chat) - hoolahan, Jun 23, 00:51:07
    - People who work on oil rigs are out of touch and quitters? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 05:43:10
      - What a stupid ill-informed comment! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jun 23, 11:16:00
      - A lot of people who work on rigs tend to be more of a right wing voter (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Jun 23, 08:14:19
        
        Tosh! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jun 23, 11:16:41
        
        It's the way you put it. Guys offshore work very hard.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jun 23, 11:46:04
        
        No, it's the truth, based on my own experiences of course. (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Jun 23, 11:19:40
        
        Can believe it (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 08:20:04
      - Based on what (n/m) (General Chat) - hoolahan, Jun 23, 05:55:00
        
        Working in the middle of the sea (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 06:05:03
    - I just can't comprehend why (General Chat) - matgore, Jun 23, 03:56:17
      - Wow! That's a scarily ignorant post, which shows why this referendum was a bad idea (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 07:20:49
        
        That's not really true though is it (General Chat) - matgore, Jun 23, 07:38:53
        
        the Turkey refugee deal and 'treatment of Greece' were agreed by the EU Council (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 08:11:22
        
        That isn't the same thing at all (General Chat) - matgore, Jun 23, 08:20:37
        
        the Greece thing is actually an interesting issue (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 08:56:16
        
        Surely you can say exactly the same thing about The House of Lords (General Chat) - lurd, Jun 23, 08:21:50
        
        No, it is effectively true (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 08:01:08
        
        ... (General Chat) - matgore, Jun 23, 08:29:24
        
        that seems to be a propaganda leaflet (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 23, 08:35:02
    - It tells me your sample is much smaller than mine....... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 23, 01:08:50
    - That you are turkeys voting for Christmas? (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 23, 01:05:33
      - I think the BS on either side is overblown. (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 23, 01:16:33
        
        Uncertainty and nervousness will stifle the economy for a couple of years (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 23, 07:30:29
        
        And what's the point of even risking it? (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 23, 01:45:01
        
        Yes but I'm not aware of any country (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 23, 01:26:45
- Fucking hope so. When will the result be known? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Jun 23, 00:09:02
  - Should have decent indication by around 3-4am (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 23, 00:17:08
  - Friday morning. (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 23, 00:14:15

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