of course it's more complicated than just then numbers

it comes down to the judgements you make on how to spend the resources arising from those numbers.

You can do better/worse than the raw numbers suggest depending on whether you do a good or bad job

Villa are doing worse than the raw numbers suggest because they have done a bad job (Saints conversely are outperforming the raw numbers because they are doing a good job, hence why it is a relevant comparison).

Posted By: mr carra on February 16th 2015 at 15:18:00

Message Thread

"Villa's net spend over Lambert's three seasons at the club is a whisker shy of ?50m. That (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 13:37:24
- And if they'd have sold Benteke they'd be in the black transfer wise I'd imagine (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Feb 16, 14:12:03
  - And be even worse! (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:29:26
  - Ah, missed the 'net' bit (Other Football) - Brom, Feb 16, 14:26:41
    - That was in response to DoY below (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Feb 16, 14:27:03
  - He'd have gone for about ?20-?25m probably (Other Football) - duke of york, Feb 16, 14:18:11
- blimey thats a lot. Contradictory though.."he bought badly" "won't be a surprise when Tim (Other Football) - Tony Martin, Feb 16, 13:58:55
  - no it isn't a lot at all! (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:02:36
    - It's not a lot ... (Other Football) - loz, Feb 16, 14:04:51
- who did villa have worth selling? (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 13:44:01
  - like us really - Lambert at Villa basically IS Hughton here (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:02:48
    - hughton's net spend over double the previous 2 seasons put together (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:05:28
      - what relevance are the previous seasons? (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:12:50
        
        but we were atrocious last season (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:16:49
        
        is anyone denying that? (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:27:09
        
        didn't watch boro (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:38:29
        
        is that Man City who didn't take them seriously? (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:41:57
        
        oh right so you told us all to lump on the away win? (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:45:12
        
        I don't talk betting bullsh*t like you (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:48:39
        
        but love to aftertime (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:50:17
      - Isn't that the issue though... (Other Football) - loz, Feb 16, 14:09:45
    - lol - very true (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 14:03:12
  - so he's spent ?50m and made all the player's he's bought worthless? (n/m) (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 13:53:42
    - not at all worthless (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 13:58:35
      - Should still be capable of scoring a goal now and again? (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, Feb 16, 13:59:48
        
        of course, defo deserved to be sacked (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:02:11
        
        Whilst you're trolling your head off, can you cut out the offensive drivel please (Other Football) - pants, Feb 16, 14:33:44
        
        EBTTT (n/m) (Other Football) - Charles21, Feb 16, 14:41:54
        
        glad the monday crowd get to appreciate my gag last night (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:47:44
        
        was a great gag (Other Football) - Charles21, Feb 16, 14:59:39
        
        vmt (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 14:02:50
    - No-one says they're worthless (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 13:56:10
      - he hasn't been sacked for failing to finish in the top 10 (n/m) (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 14:01:28
        
        Where are we going with this? (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 14:02:08
        
        It doesn't have to be going anywhere (Other Football) - Old Git, Feb 16, 14:07:33
        
        No it isn't. It's a contradiction. (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Man, Feb 16, 14:31:16
        
        the piece inferred a decent enough budget compared to other mid-table teams (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 14:06:28
    - Is ?50m much over 2.5 years for a Prem team? (Other Football) - duke of york, Feb 16, 13:55:59
      - it's more than "Everton, Newcastle, QPR, Stoke, Southampton, Sunderland, Swansea and West (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 14:08:58
        
        saints spent 68 million last summer (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:21:52
        
        they bought ?68m worth while selling ?93m worth? (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:35:56
        
        oh jesus are you for real?! (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:39:37
        
        Unlike you I actually have (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:47:26
        
        that is far too simplistic of a view (Other Football) - Brandonio, Feb 16, 14:54:37
        
        I agree it helps if people pay you enormously over the odds for players (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 15:02:49
        
        nobody is denying saints are doing great (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:54:34
        
        Wow, that is incredible (Other Football) - Brandonio, Feb 16, 14:45:08
        
        Some of those teams had players leave for big money (Other Football) - duke of york, Feb 16, 14:11:22
        
        so they had better players but lost them (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:23:07
        
        Well yes, that's true - he's had a shocker this season in particular (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Feb 16, 14:50:43
        
        he could have brought them on and made some money (Other Football) - Tombs, Feb 16, 14:14:53
        
        which is the point (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 14:13:55
      - we spent over 40m net in the 3 prem seasons (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:00:36
    - ^^^ a greengrocer got into the system there (n/m) (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 13:54:06
  - bannan and collins made most of the 5 million received over 3 seasons (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 13:50:12
    - we done well to get shot of langberts when we did really (n/m) (Other Football) - Tombs, Feb 16, 13:54:20
  - Precisely. Dum stat. (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 13:49:21
    - ?50m he's spent on 'not good enough'? (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 13:57:23
      - Correct (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 14:00:00
        
        SCC??? (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 14:12:53
        
        comparing with saints and spurs is beyond ridiculous though (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:15:06
        
        But they DID sell them (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 14:32:29
        
        wow so simplistic (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 14:56:52
        
        In what way isn't it true (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 15:07:58
        
        you need to look beyond the maths (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 15:11:30
        
        of course it's more complicated than just then numbers (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 15:18:00
        
        'They have had one of the lowest net spends in the Premier League.' (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Feb 16, 14:23:58
        
        but not fair to use it against lambert which it is (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 15:09:00
        
        why not????? (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 15:13:26
        
        brandonio began to explain it... (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 15:46:34
        
        he really didn't (Other Football) - mr carra, Feb 16, 16:02:22
    - He did buy a lot of shite though... (Other Football) - loz, Feb 16, 13:53:16
      - mostly 2-3m signings (Other Football) - SCC 28, Feb 16, 13:54:52
        
        Still prepared to waste wages on Joe cole... (Other Football) - loz, Feb 16, 13:59:01
        
        Lerner closed his wallet after o'Neill left. Complete policy change. (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 13:56:59
      - He bought the shit he could afford (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 13:54:47
        
        Couldn't have spent joe Coles wages on better? (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, Feb 16, 14:01:40
        
        He failed. No doubt. (Other Football) - norway, Feb 16, 14:03:51
  - paul lambert (n/m) (Other Football) - Tombs, Feb 16, 13:44:44
    - Jed Steer (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Feb 16, 13:46:41
      - In hindsight not a great move. (Other Football) - Ken Breadstick, Feb 16, 13:56:53
      - all the greats (n/m) (Other Football) - Tombs, Feb 16, 13:48:17

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