I agree.....

and thats where the law has a grey area.....different people exculate to a different level.....

however a good rule of thumb to stay within the law is to only use the same force which is displayed against you!! This is when being well trained and disciplined, has a legal advantage over being a civvie with red mist...

If I'm in bed and hear an intruder at 3am, go downstairs, I'd hope i use reasonable force against him to apprehend him or to protect myself/family.

I wouldnt shoot a burgler in the back whos crouched down trying to unplug my tv........

Had he turned round, attacked me or my family, I'd use whatever force neccessary to protect me/them, and/or apprehend him. If that meant t**tting him over the head with a poker, then I would. The law would be on my side if I could prove he came at ME or threatened me or my family....

Posted By: Cheltenham_Canary on September 5th 2012 at 10:32:57

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What these idiots don't understand is (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 08:07:38
- Greatest thread troll ever........... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 5, 14:42:18
- just wait till your home gets invaded.... (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:36:00
  - repeatedly, as in this case and the norfolk case a foo years back (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:39:03
- this is how it starts (General Chat) - dr fanta, Sep 5, 09:29:12
  - Yawn....oh I just woke up an saw this. (General Chat) - John in Texas, Sep 5, 10:56:47
- Sorry but you are just plain WRONG! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 5, 08:47:41
  - Interesting (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 08:57:03
    - Honestly I think you would feel differently if it had happened to you? (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 5, 09:04:20
      - I've been burglared twice (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 09:12:18
        
        but did you actually disturb them and confront them? (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 5, 10:41:41
- So I'm in my house at night and I hear a burglar downstairs (General Chat) - Duck, Sep 5, 08:44:17
  - absolutely. YOu should follow the advice and wait upstairs while he robs you (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:37:32
- You make two points... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 08:20:20
  - It was the wider issue of the whole debate (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 08:30:06
    - Fuck me sideways (General Chat) - Old Splat, Sep 5, 09:46:25
    - Have you ever actually had the experience? I have twice. (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 08:48:00
      - no it doesn't (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 08:57:58
        
        these invaders got what they deserved (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:38:10
        
        very much this (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 09:58:46
        
        trouble is.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:05:19
        
        I am sure more criminals have guns than 'ordinary' civilians in the UK (General Chat) - John in Texas, Sep 5, 11:01:26
        
        I agree.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:05:29
        
        I think that's what many are trying to say to you CC (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 11:44:14
        
        well thats the thing... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 12:03:26
        
        Absolutely (n/m) (General Chat) - John in Texas, Sep 5, 11:18:54
        
        yeah i'm not saying they MUST be shot (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:08:35
        
        burglers I think realise.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:13:01
        
        but once they enter your home (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:18:43
        
        .... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:26:56
        
        the law is an ass (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:31:11
        
        maybe.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:34:28
        
        the law protects criminals (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:36:25
        
        yes....it does, (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:38:47
        
        no it gives criminal scum a high status (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:41:05
        
        thats your opinion... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:43:20
        
        depends.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 09:49:05
        
        So when does one sit down and debate the purpose of the tresspassers (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 09:52:00
        
        Its difficult I know..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 09:59:05
        
        You are correct of course, 99 (or whatever) % of civvies don't. (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 10:04:33
        
        true its different circumstances...... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:10:12
        
        Thing is people don't have time to rationalise a paper scissors stone scenario of what an (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 10:28:34
        
        yes... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:38:05
        
        what if you challenge him and he shoots you? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:39:51
        
        ok i'll answer for you (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:46:55
        
        every scenario is different..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:46:27
        
        bit it's dark (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:48:53
        
        tad nieve? (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:51:08
        
        like i said the law's an ass (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:55:37
        
        yes... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:59:30
        
        you just proved my point - cheers (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 11:00:04
        
        which is better than..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:07:02
        
        but he attacked me sir (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 11:10:32
        
        good luck with that. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:13:04
        
        But surely it comes down to your word against the intruders? (General Chat) - Brom, Sep 5, 10:28:19
        
        untill you're threatened or attacked.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:35:59
        
        Prove that I wasn't attacked... (General Chat) - Brom, Sep 5, 10:51:46
        
        if thats a legal risk you're prepared to take.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:54:55
        
        If I'm getting burgled, I'd imagine that the intruder isn't top of the financial food chai (n/m) (General Chat) - Brom, Sep 5, 11:06:50
        
        I'd imagine he isnt. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:14:35
        
        haha (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 11:10:53
        
        isn't someone entering your home, threatening?! (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:37:00
        
        sadly not. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:39:33
        
        why? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:44:37
        
        if... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:48:16
        
        well it's not random it shows you don't know their business (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:49:39
        
        well it IS random (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:53:12
        
        yes every case is different (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:57:44
        
        it IS asking a lot , yes.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:02:43
        
        One point here (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 10:17:56
        
        I agree..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:32:57
        
        Now that we are seriously getting into the legal apsects. (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 10:49:44
        
        I think.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:58:30
        
        They were shot climbing out the window.... (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 11:09:10
        
        ok... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:18:23
        
        I think this muddied the waters as it couldn't be entirely proven whether they were (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 11:35:29
        
        i seem to recall... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:39:26
        
        Indeed, that was Fred Barras. (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 12:39:35
      - I tend to agree with you.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 08:55:33
        
        Farmer. (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:38:28
        
        shouldnt be any exception..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 09:46:10
        
        do foxes only attack livestock durimng the shooting season? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 5, 09:57:19
        
        not at all.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:01:16

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