Its difficult I know.....

I've done plenty of "live armed guards" in Germany in the late 80's when the IRA had an active cell (run by Donna McGuire) who were planting IED's and conducting drive by shootings at military bases and thought "i might have to shoot someone tonight". Of course scenarios run through your head and you fear/dread ever having to get involved to an extent where by you might pull a trigger.... the ethics etc.... but there were Rules of Engagement in place to protect you, but also to protect THEM....

Only fire if life is threatened - give warnings that you're live armed, but you cant fire unless your life is threatened.....

Its all aout controlling the situation. I accept 99.9% civvies dont have this, but the law is the same nether-the-less.

Posted By: Cheltenham_Canary on September 5th 2012 at 09:59:05

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What these idiots don't understand is (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 08:07:38
- Greatest thread troll ever........... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 5, 14:42:18
- just wait till your home gets invaded.... (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:36:00
  - repeatedly, as in this case and the norfolk case a foo years back (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:39:03
- this is how it starts (General Chat) - dr fanta, Sep 5, 09:29:12
  - Yawn....oh I just woke up an saw this. (General Chat) - John in Texas, Sep 5, 10:56:47
- Sorry but you are just plain WRONG! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 5, 08:47:41
  - Interesting (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 08:57:03
    - Honestly I think you would feel differently if it had happened to you? (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 5, 09:04:20
      - I've been burglared twice (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 09:12:18
        
        but did you actually disturb them and confront them? (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 5, 10:41:41
- So I'm in my house at night and I hear a burglar downstairs (General Chat) - Duck, Sep 5, 08:44:17
  - absolutely. YOu should follow the advice and wait upstairs while he robs you (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:37:32
- You make two points... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 08:20:20
  - It was the wider issue of the whole debate (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 08:30:06
    - Fuck me sideways (General Chat) - Old Splat, Sep 5, 09:46:25
    - Have you ever actually had the experience? I have twice. (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 08:48:00
      - no it doesn't (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 08:57:58
        
        these invaders got what they deserved (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:38:10
        
        very much this (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 09:58:46
        
        trouble is.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:05:19
        
        I am sure more criminals have guns than 'ordinary' civilians in the UK (General Chat) - John in Texas, Sep 5, 11:01:26
        
        I agree.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:05:29
        
        I think that's what many are trying to say to you CC (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 11:44:14
        
        well thats the thing... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 12:03:26
        
        Absolutely (n/m) (General Chat) - John in Texas, Sep 5, 11:18:54
        
        yeah i'm not saying they MUST be shot (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:08:35
        
        burglers I think realise.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:13:01
        
        but once they enter your home (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:18:43
        
        .... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:26:56
        
        the law is an ass (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:31:11
        
        maybe.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:34:28
        
        the law protects criminals (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:36:25
        
        yes....it does, (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:38:47
        
        no it gives criminal scum a high status (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:41:05
        
        thats your opinion... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:43:20
        
        depends.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 09:49:05
        
        So when does one sit down and debate the purpose of the tresspassers (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 09:52:00
        
        Its difficult I know..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 09:59:05
        
        You are correct of course, 99 (or whatever) % of civvies don't. (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 10:04:33
        
        true its different circumstances...... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:10:12
        
        Thing is people don't have time to rationalise a paper scissors stone scenario of what an (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 10:28:34
        
        yes... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:38:05
        
        what if you challenge him and he shoots you? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:39:51
        
        ok i'll answer for you (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:46:55
        
        every scenario is different..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:46:27
        
        bit it's dark (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:48:53
        
        tad nieve? (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:51:08
        
        like i said the law's an ass (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:55:37
        
        yes... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:59:30
        
        you just proved my point - cheers (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 11:00:04
        
        which is better than..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:07:02
        
        but he attacked me sir (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 11:10:32
        
        good luck with that. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:13:04
        
        But surely it comes down to your word against the intruders? (General Chat) - Brom, Sep 5, 10:28:19
        
        untill you're threatened or attacked.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:35:59
        
        Prove that I wasn't attacked... (General Chat) - Brom, Sep 5, 10:51:46
        
        if thats a legal risk you're prepared to take.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:54:55
        
        If I'm getting burgled, I'd imagine that the intruder isn't top of the financial food chai (n/m) (General Chat) - Brom, Sep 5, 11:06:50
        
        I'd imagine he isnt. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:14:35
        
        haha (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 11:10:53
        
        isn't someone entering your home, threatening?! (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:37:00
        
        sadly not. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:39:33
        
        why? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:44:37
        
        if... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:48:16
        
        well it's not random it shows you don't know their business (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:49:39
        
        well it IS random (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:53:12
        
        yes every case is different (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 10:57:44
        
        it IS asking a lot , yes.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:02:43
        
        One point here (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 10:17:56
        
        I agree..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:32:57
        
        Now that we are seriously getting into the legal apsects. (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Sep 5, 10:49:44
        
        I think.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:58:30
        
        They were shot climbing out the window.... (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 11:09:10
        
        ok... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:18:23
        
        I think this muddied the waters as it couldn't be entirely proven whether they were (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 11:35:29
        
        i seem to recall... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 11:39:26
        
        Indeed, that was Fred Barras. (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Sep 5, 12:39:35
      - I tend to agree with you.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 08:55:33
        
        Farmer. (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Sep 5, 09:38:28
        
        shouldnt be any exception..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 09:46:10
        
        do foxes only attack livestock durimng the shooting season? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 5, 09:57:19
        
        not at all.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 5, 10:01:16

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