The Mail/Guardian thing is an utter red herring

Any media Quentin or Julia can dip in now and, yes every paper has a view. But the Mail kickstarted the whole process and want blood more than any other.

But where I disagree with you and so many others is on the issue of proportion. This was indeed 'crude, vulgar and unkind' - but nothing more, nothing less! Andrew Sachs complained, recived an apology and is satisfied.

This has not become a matter of 'national comment' as you so disingenuously put it, but a frothed up, rabid witch hunt which bears absolutely no relation to the reality of the situation and the genuine effect it has had on those involved.

Andrew Sachs clearly can't stand the publicity, his grand daughter is loving every minute and Angry of Tunbridge Wells can hurrumph to his heart's content about 'this kind of thing'.

It's a grim business, it really is.

Posted By: The Judge on October 30th 2008 at 22:25:16

Message Thread

Just been reading down the board (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 20:06:23
- hear hear your lordship (n/m) (General Chat) - bobble, Oct 30, 21:48:53
- I don't agree (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 30, 21:42:11
  - The Mail/Guardian thing is an utter red herring (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 22:25:16
    - completely agree (General Chat) - Charles21, Oct 30, 22:50:23
  - also, the BBC has displayed a serious error in management in allowing the show to go out (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 30, 21:56:03
  - spot on 100% (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 21:49:47
- on this subject, one for the facespacers among you, (General Chat) - NCFC4life, Oct 30, 21:23:50
  - that's more like it.# (n/m) (General Chat) - lovely old job, Oct 30, 21:49:12
- who cares (n/m) (General Chat) - lovely old job, Oct 30, 21:18:13
  - Matthew Gibson (n/m) (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:29:17
    - No i don't fuckface. (n/m) (General Chat) - Matthew Gibson, Oct 30, 21:35:29
  - Worthwhile contribution (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 21:21:08
    - thanks (n/m) (General Chat) - lovely old job, Oct 30, 21:33:06
    - haha (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:21:23
- Why shouldn'y people have complained? (n/m) (General Chat) - wgf500, Oct 30, 20:58:55
  - only 2 people did, about the language (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:10:46
    - Of people who enjoy Russell Brand. (n/m) (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 30, 21:16:02
- If I acted the way they did in my job I'd be sacked! (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 30, 20:46:10
  - are you a comedian? (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 20:48:00
    - Ok for a comedian to do it but not others? (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 30, 20:52:14
      - There was no reaction, until the mail on sunday decided to make one (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 20:55:19
        
        Tony Martins Conviction for murder was quashed (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 21:11:04
        
        shooting someone in the back whilst they're running away from you (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:14:15
        
        well the court thought otherwise .. (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 21:16:31
        
        hurrah for justice (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:23:38
        
        Bloke who burgled me in Manchester got the best justice ever..... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 30, 21:32:18
        
        I'd have knocked seven shades out of them if they were in my house (General Chat) - wgf500, Oct 30, 21:15:15
        
        the law allows you to defend your property (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 21:20:07
        
        I don't believe it does.... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 30, 21:38:33
        
        thats what i said ...... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 21:44:17
        
        No, you didn't. (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 30, 21:49:21
        
        True, but if there was someone in my house... (General Chat) - wgf500, Oct 30, 21:22:48
        
        leaving the issue of the Mail on Sunday and then The Daily Mail blowing the thing out of (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:01:55
        
        no I don't, I don't think it was funny, or very well done at all (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:07:04
        
        The furore over that was massive. (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 30, 21:13:57
        
        his job is to be outrageous where do you apply for a job like that (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 21:18:40
        
        Connolly's always claimed he was misquoted (n/m) (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:12:01
        
        people walked out of the show and he told them to fuck off (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:19:26
        
        so what exactly is your point? (n/m) (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:27:29
        
        *stock board answer* He doesn't have one..... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 30, 21:34:25
        
        oh arr, yes i did cheers for reminding me and cheers for the original post (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:55:48
        
        My point is obvious, it isn't as bad as being made out (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:37:30
        
        how do you know their lying (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 21:47:14
        
        none of the eyewitnesses heard the police declare themselves as such (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:58:14
        
        Well of course the tactical officers didnt (General Chat) - megson, Oct 30, 22:39:26
        
        except that the police officers are saying that they did... (n/m) (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 23:06:13
        
        he did apologise in court to the parents (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 30, 21:43:00
        
        lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Oct 30, 22:51:08
        
        The controller of Radio 2 has gone as well. (General Chat) - wgf500, Oct 30, 21:10:57
        
        she should have gone ages ago though (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:15:46
        
        Did she? (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 30, 21:17:08
        
        yep hare goo (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:24:55
        
        lamb will be ross and brands replacement (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:20:49
        
        now that Douglas has resigned i'd say that's more unlikely (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 21:26:49
        
        Papers report things. Some people will react to those reports. (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 30, 20:58:29
        
        But they didn't just report it (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 21:16:55
        
        The reason the bandwagon has been jumped on in such a way.. (General Chat) - wgf500, Oct 30, 21:21:26
        
        So unless every single licence fee payer is happy with every aspect of the BBC's output (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 21:22:56
        
        No, but when you're funded like the Beeb is when thousands upon thousands complain... (General Chat) - wgf500, Oct 30, 21:24:31
        
        Thousands upon thousands of buttoned-up cunts (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 21:26:02
        
        Are they not allowed an opinion? (n/m) (General Chat) - wgf500, Oct 30, 21:28:12
        
        not really (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Oct 30, 22:51:53
    - although, i know why Joey Bartons hasn't been sacked (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 20:48:56
- agree 101% (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Oct 30, 20:33:42
- agree 100% (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 20:26:50
- Am I missing the point here (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 20:12:23
  - indeed you are (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 30, 20:18:45
  - Oh dear god (General Chat) - Yellow_Monkey, Oct 30, 20:18:31
    - you really haven't followed this story at all have you... (n/m) (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 20:40:36
      - Not in the press, no (General Chat) - Yellow_Monkey, Oct 30, 20:43:53
        
        a bit of the background story to it might help you then (General Chat) - blindasabat, Oct 30, 20:55:33
  - Yes (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 20:14:54
    - It shows that Andrew sachs is decent bloke (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 20:18:14
      - BAN THESE SICKOS (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 20:20:13
        
        sorry people I happen to think (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 20:28:12
        
        I don't think they are above condemnation (General Chat) - Yellow_Monkey, Oct 30, 20:30:35
        
        I guess it which side of the line you stand (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 30, 20:43:28
        
        True dat. (General Chat) - Yellow_Monkey, Oct 30, 20:45:25
        
        Agree there. No ones really busting their balls at brand really (General Chat) - pants, Oct 30, 21:12:57
- get (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 30, 20:09:31
  - My apologies (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 20:11:10
    - that's correct (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 30, 20:13:29
      - Take's one to know one (n/m) (General Chat) - The Judge, Oct 30, 20:22:06
    - oof (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Oct 30, 20:12:40

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