Actually, 2 very good points there.

I've never really considered the scientology David Icke thing before.
Yet I have been known to have a quiet chuckle at them.

Hmmm, that's made me stop and think that has.
I suppose (in serious short mode) its the 'newness' of the religion that rather screams "money/status scheme" and the longevity of the other major religions grants them a degree of credibility.
From that point on though its all down to the nub of religion, its Faith. Can you believe in something that can't be proved? (not even slightly a discussion for here).
The good people/bad people stuff is interesting too.

Their personalitly is what drives their actions, religion i suppose gives them the vehicle and opportunity both good and bad.
You can't however, condemn for the bad, without crediting for the good, who DO outweigh the bad.

I love the Wrath.

Posted By: megson on September 2nd 2008 at 13:51:31

Message Thread

"So, you believe the world is less than 6,000 years old?" (n/m) (General Chat) - malkybarkid, Sep 2, 12:40:24
- ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 12:45:30
- depends what constitutes a year (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:42:10
- "we added up the ages of all the people in the bible - came to 6,000 years" (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 12:41:56
  - Have you ever seen a Gideon? (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Sep 2, 13:02:35
  - "Well how fucking scientific!" (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 12:42:39
    - people who obsessionally hate religion, are just as disturbing as the people (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:46:43
      - I don't obsessionally hate religion (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 12:52:02
        
        fair enough. There are many though, that as soon as you just suggest that (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:55:37
        
        As soon as religion no longer seeks to influence the lives of people who don't 'believe' (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Sep 2, 13:00:56
        
        What a load of old shit. (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:12:19
        
        Your own government influences everything you do, and you pay tax to them (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:05:55
        
        That is their job, you cock. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 2, 13:46:26
        
        lol, Black Wednesday was great fun (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:54:37
        
        and you get something back from that (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:12:52
        
        slight difference - the government is elected to do that (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, Sep 2, 13:08:05
        
        Or you could just ignore it. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:04:55
        
        I'm totally on the fence about it all, I hate both angles (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:09:10
        
        I am happy to live and let live (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:00:52
        
        You could go down so many avenues with that couldn't you? (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:04:37
        
        ok (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:12:05
        
        Deep down though (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:27:16
        
        They have a choice (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:49:28
        
        How do you know they're boiling their arse off? (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 13:16:11
        
        because I was boiling hot (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:28:15
        
        The trouble is - some of them won't let you live and let live (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:02:38
        
        that's politics though. Not religion. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 13:03:27
        
        Err - no it ain't! It may only be a (Wahabi) branch of Islam, but it is still religion! (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 13:20:05
        
        Who exploit and manipulate religious beliefs for their own political agenda (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 13:21:56
        
        AND A MINORITY!!!!!!!!! (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:08:09
        
        I understand it though, I have an irrational hatred towards the police (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:56:37
      - Just a tribute to Uncle Bill! (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 12:51:51
      - Dunno about that (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 12:50:01
        
        well it doesn't really doea it? (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 12:55:11
        
        agree (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:58:23
        
        very complex argument better explored (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:01:49
        
        agree it's a complex argument, but the same conclusions can be made (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:14:02
        
        The End of Faith: Religion, Terror & the Future of Reason - by Sam Harris (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 13:10:18
        
        not the same (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:52:59
        
        Well, no, you can prove the Nazis exist (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 12:57:04
        
        It's pretty obvious that people who have faith aren't mentally ill (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:00:51
        
        Is David Icke mentally ill? (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:04:25
        
        I take some really fucking serious issues with that statement. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:11:28
        
        Harks back to my initial message (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:21:06
        
        good stuff, good post. (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:30:45
        
        POTD, Himmers (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:25:14
        
        I can just visualise the lad I know (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:30:34
        
        Is your point that it doesn't matter if it's true or not? (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:46:06
        
        Nah, it's more that (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 14:15:04
        
        Bacon Deniers, you mean. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 2, 14:21:18
        
        yep. Group hug. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 13:26:06
        
        Well, there we have it in a nutsehll (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:17:27
        
        THAT angry? I thought it was pretty restrained myself. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:33:12
        
        "humour" ?? (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:46:33
        
        lol (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:51:56
        
        You're making crass generalisations about something though (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:23:09
        
        And I wasn't making crass generalisations (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:42:30
        
        I don't think I've made my points very well (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:38:51
        
        Of course it's because they are good people (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:53:45
        
        Actually, 2 very good points there. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:51:31
        
        I would mine..... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:25:46
        
        Yes..... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:18:51
        
        Know anything about the anthropic principle? (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:09:58
        
        Oh. My. God. (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:18:43
        
        as opposed to mentally ill individuals who aren't relgious? (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:07:01
        
        Just saying really that (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:20:20
        
        I'm not doing that though (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:32:10
        
        The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the true creator - Pastafari. Better heaven too... (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 13:25:39
      - No they aren't (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Sep 2, 12:49:38
        
        Nothing to see here..... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 12:52:14

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