I don't think I've made my points very well

all I'm really trying to say is that these people who are doing good things are doing so because they are good people, not because they are religious.

I suppose that's the same argument that bad people are doing bad things because they are bad people and not because they are religious. But I guess all the while the stated reason for doing them is religious (ie. extremist muslims wanting to kill non believers) then religion will, rightly or wrongly, take the blame.

It's a bigger question and issue than I can answer or discuss properly.

Posted By: Holden Caulfield on September 2nd 2008 at 13:38:51

Message Thread

"So, you believe the world is less than 6,000 years old?" (n/m) (General Chat) - malkybarkid, Sep 2, 12:40:24
- ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 12:45:30
- depends what constitutes a year (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:42:10
- "we added up the ages of all the people in the bible - came to 6,000 years" (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 12:41:56
  - Have you ever seen a Gideon? (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Sep 2, 13:02:35
  - "Well how fucking scientific!" (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 12:42:39
    - people who obsessionally hate religion, are just as disturbing as the people (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:46:43
      - I don't obsessionally hate religion (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 12:52:02
        
        fair enough. There are many though, that as soon as you just suggest that (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:55:37
        
        As soon as religion no longer seeks to influence the lives of people who don't 'believe' (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Sep 2, 13:00:56
        
        What a load of old shit. (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:12:19
        
        Your own government influences everything you do, and you pay tax to them (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:05:55
        
        That is their job, you cock. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Sep 2, 13:46:26
        
        lol, Black Wednesday was great fun (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:54:37
        
        and you get something back from that (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:12:52
        
        slight difference - the government is elected to do that (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, Sep 2, 13:08:05
        
        Or you could just ignore it. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:04:55
        
        I'm totally on the fence about it all, I hate both angles (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:09:10
        
        I am happy to live and let live (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:00:52
        
        You could go down so many avenues with that couldn't you? (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:04:37
        
        ok (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:12:05
        
        Deep down though (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:27:16
        
        They have a choice (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:49:28
        
        How do you know they're boiling their arse off? (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 13:16:11
        
        because I was boiling hot (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:28:15
        
        The trouble is - some of them won't let you live and let live (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:02:38
        
        that's politics though. Not religion. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 13:03:27
        
        Err - no it ain't! It may only be a (Wahabi) branch of Islam, but it is still religion! (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 13:20:05
        
        Who exploit and manipulate religious beliefs for their own political agenda (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 13:21:56
        
        AND A MINORITY!!!!!!!!! (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:08:09
        
        I understand it though, I have an irrational hatred towards the police (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:56:37
      - Just a tribute to Uncle Bill! (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 12:51:51
      - Dunno about that (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 12:50:01
        
        well it doesn't really doea it? (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 12:55:11
        
        agree (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:58:23
        
        very complex argument better explored (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:01:49
        
        agree it's a complex argument, but the same conclusions can be made (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:14:02
        
        The End of Faith: Religion, Terror & the Future of Reason - by Sam Harris (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 13:10:18
        
        not the same (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 12:52:59
        
        Well, no, you can prove the Nazis exist (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 12:57:04
        
        It's pretty obvious that people who have faith aren't mentally ill (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:00:51
        
        Is David Icke mentally ill? (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:04:25
        
        I take some really fucking serious issues with that statement. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:11:28
        
        Harks back to my initial message (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:21:06
        
        good stuff, good post. (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:30:45
        
        POTD, Himmers (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:25:14
        
        I can just visualise the lad I know (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:30:34
        
        Is your point that it doesn't matter if it's true or not? (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:46:06
        
        Nah, it's more that (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 14:15:04
        
        Bacon Deniers, you mean. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 2, 14:21:18
        
        yep. Group hug. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 13:26:06
        
        Well, there we have it in a nutsehll (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:17:27
        
        THAT angry? I thought it was pretty restrained myself. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:33:12
        
        "humour" ?? (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 2, 13:46:33
        
        lol (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:51:56
        
        You're making crass generalisations about something though (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:23:09
        
        And I wasn't making crass generalisations (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:42:30
        
        I don't think I've made my points very well (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:38:51
        
        Of course it's because they are good people (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:53:45
        
        Actually, 2 very good points there. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 2, 13:51:31
        
        I would mine..... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:25:46
        
        Yes..... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:18:51
        
        Know anything about the anthropic principle? (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 13:09:58
        
        Oh. My. God. (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:18:43
        
        as opposed to mentally ill individuals who aren't relgious? (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:07:01
        
        Just saying really that (General Chat) - Holden Caulfield, Sep 2, 13:20:20
        
        I'm not doing that though (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 2, 13:32:10
        
        The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the true creator - Pastafari. Better heaven too... (General Chat) - woody, Sep 2, 13:25:39
      - No they aren't (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Sep 2, 12:49:38
        
        Nothing to see here..... (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 12:52:14

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