He had plans an ideas like Roeder has, and he had big set backs

It's the nature of management. The set backs lead to re adjusting and dealing with new experiences. It didn't work out, he lost it in patches but amongst the insults, he did care

Again I'm not interested in going over this, I'm in the minority, and he's gone, and football is a pantomime, and there's always got to be a villain (ie Doc, Thorne etc, Brellier's probably going to turn into the next. Rationality doesn't play a part, once the vote is cast to hate someone, it happens)

If you want an answer to your question, then no I don't think he needed more time, he was given enough by our board and I think they deserved credit, as managers need that faith like Laws at Sheff Weds

I think players needed to take a big long look at themselves around this time too, something which is glossed over, because it's all packaged up into one finger of blame, but individuals were a disgrace to their profession around the time Grant's era ended

Thankfully those players have been mature enough to shut it under Roeder. They had to really, otherwise they'd make themselves look really stupid

Some players have remained professional the whole time, and do themselves proud putting up with it. I say well done Gary Doherty, it can't be easy saying to yourself that you are a good pro when everyone is alienating and to a point begging for you to fail

This attitude also crept in, in Grants last games, where fans wanted us to lose so he'd be out the door

The episode was very disappointing, and fans seemed to divorce the memory that Worthington actually put us in this mess, and whoever came in after was on a hiding to nothing. Grant was that nothing

Management is all about luck, Roeder walked in and fozzy was nearly fit, and a nice gem of a surprise. As was Smith. A Peter Grant will look back and wished he had those players. I also think he was well aware of the defence but he couldn't do everything from Worthingtons mess all at once. He also wasn't expecting Murray to get an unfortunate illness

I chose to look at the reasons it went wrong, not just quotes where someone was angry, or anything to hit back at someone. I'm not that kind of football fan, I'm proud to get behind most players at NCFC, I even accepted Hughes could stay but only at full back, instead of slaying the bloke which became the fashionable thing

I stick to the line that Grant just didn't work out here. It's up to others to think he was a c**t, but it's well regarded in the game that he's a good man and a good coach

Posted By: pants on December 22nd 2007 at 19:29:10

Message Thread

Season half over (NCFC) - Poomers Gorn Hoiper, Dec 22, 17:49:09
- Disagree (NCFC) - Kev, Dec 22, 18:43:56
- I'd be happy with staying up to be honest, given where we went when Peter Cunt left. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 22, 17:53:46
  - I'd go with that (NCFC) - Poomers Gorn Hoiper, Dec 22, 18:07:39
    - I wouldn't (NCFC) - pants, Dec 22, 18:47:31
      - Do you still think he was fired too soon? (NCFC) - Kev, Dec 22, 18:58:39
        
        He had plans an ideas like Roeder has, and he had big set backs (NCFC) - pants, Dec 22, 19:29:10
        
        "I'm not interested in going into this" (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 23, 11:12:34
        
        I meant, I wasn't going to go into a "but he said this, then he did this (NCFC) - pants, Dec 23, 13:55:06
        
        so Worthington put us into this mess (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 24, 00:05:22
        
        30m debt (NCFC) - pants, Dec 23, 13:56:20
        
        Good response (NCFC) - Kev, Dec 22, 22:08:16
        
        As you know from before, (NCFC) - Alan, Dec 22, 20:48:10
        
        It's funny how those players are trying a lot harder now though, isn't it? (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 22, 21:02:27
        
        He critised when we were playing terribly... (NCFC) - Alan, Dec 23, 08:43:40
        
        No, he criticised when we'd played well too, even singling out individuals (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 23, 09:31:45
        
        Fucking great post. Spot on. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Dec 22, 20:01:53
        
        He was a complete fucking idiot. End of. (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 22, 19:44:14
        
        Fair enough, your opinion. One Newcastle and West Ham fans probably hold about (NCFC) - pants, Dec 22, 19:51:32
        
        and Watford fans (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 22, 19:53:28
        
        good post (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 22, 19:42:17
  - That should read "where we were", not "where we went." (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 22, 17:59:00
    - yea, he was a bit of a (NCFC) - shoddy, Dec 22, 18:21:55
      - I had a lot of reservations over his man-management at the time (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 22, 18:22:56
        
        Although i didn't like him as a manager, he did forgo 750k payout, he did care. (n/m) (NCFC) - Andyjzr, Dec 22, 18:33:28
    - I don't see any reason why we should be anywhere near promotion next season (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 22, 18:07:46
      - miserable git... (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 22, 18:13:48
        
        not miserable at all. I shall be happy if we stay up (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 22, 18:23:40
        
        you are missing 2 things (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 22, 18:32:23
        
        I agree with not talking about Boxing day, we've not even had Christmas eve/day yet :) (n/m) (NCFC) - Andyjzr, Dec 22, 19:02:25
        
        Hmmmm. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 22, 18:38:03
        
        Port's rather nice (n/m) (NCFC) - Andyjzr, Dec 22, 19:55:10
        
        no one does, but it's christmas... (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 22, 18:41:32

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