Wasn't preseason organised by JHT? Not even Manning's fault

To be fair to Manning, he did say sacking him wouldn't change anything. Going by Saturday, he wasn't wrong.

Posted By: Trent_Canary on November 24th 2025 at 09:18:36

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Clement not a masochist, he says (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 24, 08:24:10
- The fans certainly seem to be swallowing this fitness excuse hook line and sinker (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:10:35
  - Way too simplistic a view (NCFC) - Kev, Nov 24, 14:19:20
    - I don't think you've understood my point correctly (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 15:14:07
      - I agree that it is a mixture of the two elements (NCFC) - Kev, Nov 24, 15:57:31
  - I think it’s quite clever from PC (NCFC) - Chair_of_the_Bored, Nov 24, 12:44:03
  - don't think they needed to go public with the bleep test (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 24, 10:48:41
    - Guess I'm in a minority (NCFC) - Kev, Nov 24, 14:23:07
    - I think framed as a new start and assessing the lads fully would have been fine (NCFC) - Sainz and Sinners, Nov 24, 11:36:07
    - Fair (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 11:14:37
    - Eggsactly (n/m) (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, Nov 24, 11:00:38
    - Was on a dog walk yesterday with pal. Said exactly the same thing… (NCFC) - WalksietheReturn, Nov 24, 10:55:22
      - No way that anything like that goes out from the media team without careful scrutiny (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 10:58:19
        
        “Look how hard we’re working! Honestly, we are!” (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 11:16:14
    - Yes, completely agree (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 10:53:01
      - i read your post after i posted that and am drawing to the same conclusion (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 24, 11:39:43
  - Fitness is not why we conceded after 3 minutes and should have been 3 down after 20 (NCFC) - Jim, Nov 24, 10:36:57
    - Exactly. So why is sooooo much fuss being made of it? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 10:43:27
      - Because as I said the other day (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 24, 11:07:10
        
        True, and while there has looked some truth to it (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 11:09:42
  - Not every reason is an excuse. But it is likely not the only reason indeed. However, (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, Nov 24, 09:55:54
    - At home, up against a struggling team devoid of confidence (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 10:00:44
  - sort of agree but not quite (NCFC) - big member, Nov 24, 09:54:09
  - Amazing that a professional footballer can't tell if they're fit enough 2 or 3 games (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Nov 24, 09:47:00
    - Stacey was spot on in his post match chat (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 09:50:50
  - But we won’t see improved fitness for weeks … (NCFC) - loz, Nov 24, 09:20:15
    - Indeed - so why make such a big deal out of it? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:24:52
      - I think the fitness thing is quite big in terms of professionalism as Stacey points out in (NCFC) - Sainz and Sinners, Nov 24, 09:49:34
        
        But if it is a professionalism issue, rather than a training / coaching one (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:54:37
        
        No just the players is it... staff noticing unfit or badly prepared players (NCFC) - Sainz and Sinners, Nov 24, 10:14:12
        
        lol - or...... (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 10:41:58
        
        The Coaching meetings go something like this.... (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Nov 24, 10:21:05
        
        Can't understand why they wouldn't be giving 100%, none of this lot (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Nov 24, 09:51:48
    - I wouldn’t judge too much from Saturday brums last 3… (NCFC) - loz, Nov 24, 09:20:58
      - I agree - Sat was a free hit - very likely to lose, and we did (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:24:49
  - Wasn't preseason organised by JHT? Not even Manning's fault (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Nov 24, 09:18:36
    - Was there no way he could have changed it? (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 09:30:30
    - I just can't believe Manning wouldn't have had the same fitness data (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:21:34
      - I'm assuming the fitness department is not his remit (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Nov 24, 09:29:37
        
        How could the fitness of the players not be the remit of the Head Coach? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:31:07
        
        I'm just making assumptions based on what I've seen and heard (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Nov 24, 09:37:01
        
        Isn't that more to do with the volume of muscle injuries, rather than aerobic fitness? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:39:06
        
        They should be reviewing the whole thing imo (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Nov 24, 09:53:41
    - let's wait a month to see whether it changes anything (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:20:54
    - Correct. Pre season was a car crash. (NCFC) - WalksietheReturn, Nov 24, 09:20:32
  - why do we let in so many 2nd half goals? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:16:20
    - Because we're shit? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:18:26
      - Absolutely this (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 24, 10:28:17
      - ^this, is the correct answer^ (n/m) (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Nov 24, 09:49:03
      - being shit would tend to suggest an even distribution though (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:23:53
        
        I hope you're right, but I don't see it (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:29:37
        
        Schwartau has now played about 55 times for us (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 09:53:18
        
        He needs to be sold to the Dutch league (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 24, 10:29:44
- best thing about is this is what it tells us about attanasio's intentions (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:08:23
  - Yes, that was encouraging (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 24, 09:13:47
  - Having read that Archant piece where Clement justifies picking Duddy (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 09:13:21
  - Tomorrow is close to must win, and it's certainly must not lose (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:12:03
    - This isn’t even debatable. We must win. We are cut adrift and (NCFC) - WalksietheReturn, Nov 24, 09:23:19
      - I think we could draw tomorrow and stay up (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:26:13
        
        I’d say we need a 5 match unbeaten run with 3 wins, starting now (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 09:34:55
        
        That’s Ipswich’s current run, and would just about get us out of the bottom 3 (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 09:41:50
        
        sure - with about a million left games to go - it would be great (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:56:54
        
        I think so, yes (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 10:01:42
        
        I don't really agree that such a drastic immediate turnaround is necessary (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:38:55
        
        Apart from Oxford, all the teams above us are over 1ppg for the season (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 09:48:10
        
        I agree we need a run at some point (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:53:44
        
        We need more than that. (NCFC) - WalksietheReturn, Nov 24, 10:57:42
        
        Well in that case, we might as well give up (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 11:00:18
        
        I agree we don't need anything as dramatic (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:44:42
        
        That’s not much different, is it? (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 09:54:23
        
        I didn't say we needed to win the next two (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:56:33
        
        No, I know. Sorry. (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 09:59:40
        
        Yeah - I do agree with you that we need start a run (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 10:02:01
        
        I’m breaking the habit of a lifetime and not going or watching (NCFC) - APB, Nov 24, 10:08:41
        
        and the most desperate thing is.... (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 10:13:56
        
        We haven't won since August! (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 10:15:11
        
        we will shit them (n/m) (NCFC) - Jumbo1, Nov 24, 10:27:02
        
        VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 10:27:47
    - If we lose then that’s it (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 09:15:40
      - Yes, I think so. Not just because of the points difference, but if we can't beat oxford... (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 24, 09:16:19
        
        well, yes, there is that! (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:17:57
        
        The red flag was the lack of effort and intensity (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 09:21:19
        
        well ... you should be dropped (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:26:51
        
        Stacey, Sarge, Kenny (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 09:36:40
    - it's pretty close to that, I agree! (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 24, 09:15:00
- Bit unfair on the fans that (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 24, 08:30:03

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