on the minority shareholders point

for any small, majority owned company, being a minority shareholder usually doesn't amount to much, either by way of having a say, or in terms of financial expectation.

Anyone taking a (small) minority investment in the club is effectively giving their money away. I'm not sure I can remember how such share sales were presented (I always thought it was framed in terms of "helping the club") but I'd not have had any expectations for minority shareholders views in all of this (dispassionately it'd make no sense for the current or the prospective owners to put their money/rights at the mercy of a small group with a small (financial) stake).

It's for that reason that all of this is tied to loans and requires loops and loops of "if this, then that" clauses.

Posted By: Cardiff Canary on September 4th 2023 at 12:08:44

Message Thread

Parity shareholders as predicted … (NCFC) - loz, Sep 4, 09:34:22
- Paddy and Connor YouTube video explains everything pretty well (n/m) (NCFC) - DiscoDale, Sep 4, 11:42:51
- 'kinell at some of those terms (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 4, 09:57:03
  - Be careful what you wish for... (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Sep 4, 10:34:05
    - oh I dont care, they can sell the club for a pittance if they like. (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 4, 12:16:45
    - Said it multiple times.... (NCFC) - usacanary, Sep 4, 10:47:56
      - I don’t think there’s any evidence of that at this stage (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:51:05
  - Am I right in reading about this loan? (NCFC) - city_lad, Sep 4, 10:29:55
    - Yes (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:30:30
      - But 11% per annum interest (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:31:16
        
        Yes that’s just a protective factor for him (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Sep 4, 10:34:16
        
        Yes - although probably irrelevant for this loan (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:45:58
  - indeedly (n/m) (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 4, 10:27:02
- £33m (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 09:54:09
  - Yes but only if shareholders agree … (NCFC) - loz, Sep 4, 10:15:03
    - I’m slightly unsure of the economics (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:21:12
      - However you cut the numbers (NCFC) - JoeyDeacon, Sep 4, 11:08:14
        
        £25 per share for these (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 11:30:26
        
        well yes - but probably no more so than usual, (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 4, 11:42:14
        
        last para is spot on (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 4, 12:43:25
        
        I think the rich benefactor model may be kind of dying out at this level (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 4, 13:02:58
        
        Quite (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 4, 13:56:25
        
        Out of curiosity, how have Brighton managed to get where they are with FFP? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 13:08:23
        
        Oh, I'm sure they were definitely breaching it (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 4, 13:17:28
        
        Are they not spending more than their turnover every season though? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 13:20:47
        
        Given the transfer fees they've received in the past couple of years I'd guess not now! (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 4, 13:21:43
        
        Everton are the poster boys for Prem FFP problems (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 4, 13:23:51
        
        There is the possibility that the loan will be repaid (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 13:00:56
        
        The thing that I haven’t seen yet is why £25 is considered to be the MV per share (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 11:57:53
        
        doesn't the £25 per share come from the value agreed by Foulger? (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 4, 12:20:21
        
        Balance sheet value does not normally equal MV (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 12:30:10
        
        Yeah, wasn't trying to spell that out to you (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 4, 12:53:00
        
        Yeah sorry, I wasn’t meaning to sound offended (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 12:54:34
        
        lolf - I'm probably just sensitised (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 4, 12:58:45
        
        Haha! (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 13:05:51
        
        on the minority shareholders point (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 4, 12:08:44
      - My numbers are rubbish (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:31:58
- No takeover for a minimum 3 years as stipulated by Delia and M (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Sep 4, 09:37:32
  - Told you (NCFC) - Chair_of_the_Bored, Sep 4, 09:46:08
    - any direction of travel over the next few years is down to MA (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 4, 12:34:11
    - I don’t think it’s that simplistic Delia has given away.. (NCFC) - loz, Sep 4, 12:29:19
      - if it's not written down... (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 4, 13:04:40
        
        Surely the Takeover code heard more thought in order … (NCFC) - loz, Sep 4, 13:06:10
    - Why do you think that? (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 4, 09:59:19
  - Pray for Jim (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 09:39:44
- Done and dusted... (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Sep 4, 09:35:48

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