None of that is controversial

But my *on one* is aimed at those who never gave Smith a chance, those who believe that Smith deliberately made us worse, and those who believe that Smith tried to change what Webber had created.

And, if I'm honest, I am flabbergasted that fans should think that hoofing it long from GKs is going to make us better.

Posted By: Henclrikus on February 5th 2023 at 19:12:59

Message Thread

I may be repeating but (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 15:40:18
- Well done wrathers. … 100 posts on this. (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 5, 19:19:11
  - It isn’t (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 19:22:15
    - Yep the narrative was set tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 19:25:12
- The yo-yo’ing is boring (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 18:35:14
  - Lots of opinions about individual games are bullshit (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 18:51:07
    - 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 19:21:05
- Thanks for the KidWatch, go on TDP (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Feb 5, 18:33:10
- I don't think either keeper is really in Wagners plans (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 5, 17:10:16
  - I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't like Angus. (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Feb 5, 17:26:14
  - 3-4 games and you think he doesn't like Gunny? I'm sure an experienced (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Feb 5, 17:18:36
- Isn’t Gunn injured ? (n/m) (NCFC) - helvegtheowl, Feb 5, 16:55:34
- Of course…the ‘convenient’ thing to do (NCFC) - MonkeyPuzzle, Feb 5, 16:10:26
- What I came away with yesterday was the time wasted by Deansmith to coach the team into (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 16:07:56
  - “Possible” that Burnley have better players? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 18:36:12
  - This "team identity" (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:59:44
    - That's what I'm frustrated about. He didn't have one and never looked like getting one (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 17:21:10
      - I wouldn't have been bothered about what style of play he wanted to play in (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 17:31:34
        
        I am trying to see your p.o.v (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:41:47
        
        Was there not a minutes applause for a fan bang after Burnley got their goal? (NCFC) - Rufus Rednuts, Feb 5, 18:15:41
        
        😄 (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:19:18
        
        It's possible that if this is the start of a year of pretty awful results and performances (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:05:11
        
        Nails it (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Feb 5, 19:13:57
        
        ABS = Anyone But Smith (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:13:37
        
        Thank you for explaining ABS - actually I'm not really sure that does apply to me (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:24:43
        
        I would be an utter twat if I was defending DS (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:43:38
        
        We won 6 in a row very unconvincingly with smith … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 19:06:14
        
        The narrative was set early with Smith (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 18:39:42
        
        Top post (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:11:09
        
        👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 5, 18:09:05
        
        I don’t get what point you’re trying to make (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 5, 17:54:40
        
        None of that is controversial (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 19:12:59
        
        Smith had over a year people did give him a chance ? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 19:29:47
        
        Well said 👏 (Do you want to take over as spokesperson for the ABS?) (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:11:57
        
        Lol. Maybe I’ll do Sundays-Tuesday, you can do Wed-Frid? (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 5, 18:31:45
        
        I like it! Job share (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:35:17
        
        Agree (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:11:21
        
        Well, the fans who 'forgave' Krul yesterday (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:04:10
        
        I think then that they must be the sort of fans who always have a go at players who make (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:10:24
        
        He got horrific stick yesterday. (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:11:55
        
        Not in the immediate aftermath of the goal (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:19:07
        
        No. There was applause. For the girl who died. (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:22:04
        
        *long* (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:22:26
        
        Unless you were sitting in the same block of the same stand (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:35:11
        
        I see. (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:44:40
        
        yes (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 19:06:21
        
        Tacitly or otherwise (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 19:38:01
        
        But NOT as horrific as he would have of got if Deansmith was still in charge 😊 (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:17:52
        
        Indeed. (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:20:27
        
        Exactly we had him for over a year and made us worse … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:02:31
        
        I’m fine letting smith go (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 17:34:19
        
        What is 'The current shambles'? - the loss to table topping Burnley? (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 17:38:24
        
        I've 180'd on it. I was critical of the DS critics and the talk of identity (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Feb 5, 19:52:42
        
        The defending yesterday was utterly abysmal (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 17:49:17
      - Isn't it entirely possibly (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:27:57
        
        Well if that's the case, I'm not sure why we didn't sack him earlier because (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 17:34:58
        
        So is the definition of 'shambles' how you perform against Burnley? (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:13:59
        
        Was obvious he tried to mage us more pragmatic … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 17:30:08
    - A team comfortable in possession … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 17:08:41
      - This wasn't a Q for you (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:25:42
        
        Because the other side were perfectly happy for us to have it … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 17:27:36
        
        Just a couple of small things (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:35:39
        
        Webber kept hold of sinani because smith liked him pre season … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:05:31
        
        Let's see the source for this (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:09:41
        
        The source is Dean smith himself … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:14:43
        
        So there is no source for your claim that Webber kept him (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:28:32
        
        Smith regularly picked poor players tbh not sure why you are so stern in your defence of… (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:46:16
        
        Do you think we should have stuck with Smith? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 17:42:34
        
        no (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:44:17
        
        So what exactly is your point? (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 17:51:32
        
        Many, many fans entirely blamed Smith (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:54:58
        
        Smith had over a year Wagner has had 4 games what are you talking about ????? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:06:10
        
        See above, USH's post. (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 17:58:58
  - Krul has been dreadful though (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:13:33
    - We weren't bad defensively yesterday (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 16:36:31
      - Quite important areas though (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:40:03
        
        Very much, and so we lost (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 16:53:30
        
        We clearly can defend corners (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:02:59
        
        Keeper thing (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 17:22:08
        
        Assume (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:54:32
        
        so (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:54:45
    - Gunn is injured (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Feb 5, 16:21:32
      - 67% (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:27:48
        
        And I didn’t think Gunn was injured before (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:28:42
        
        and stayed with Krul even after being shakey (!) at Cov (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:33:19
        
        Angus is injured! (n/m) (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Feb 5, 17:29:02
        
        He wasn't inj for games at PNE & Coventry (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:43:43
        
        We don't know if there were some pre niggles before yesterday (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Feb 5, 18:58:44
- I don't think many fans solely thought a change of manager would fix issues (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Feb 5, 15:48:04
  - They were very smug after the last 2 league games (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 15:55:00
    - Not sure who they are or who was smug (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Feb 5, 15:58:17
      - You haven't been paying attention then (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:10:03
        
        I would say your negative and equally smug view is every bit as tedious (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 18:47:29
        
        Not sure what you are getting at we at least looked vaguely exciting … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 16:25:16
        
        The point is clear (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:29:44
        
        That we are a work in progress and there has been some questionable recruitment … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 16:32:28
        
        He defo should be (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:40:45
        
        It was a relief (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Feb 5, 16:24:25
        
        Missing the point totally (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:29:27
        
        The point was a strawman argument (n/m) (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Feb 5, 19:11:00
        
        how is it a strawman argument? (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 20:16:25
        
        Not sure what you are getting at we at least looked vaguely exciting … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 16:22:20
        
        There was a stupid assumption among some that somehow we were a top 2 team being held back (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 18:42:25
      - We were regularly beating bang average (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:01:30
- Chris Goreham confirmed it had gone out (NCFC) - Cellophane Flowers, Feb 5, 15:47:17
  - I still can't see how they missed it (NCFC) - Kangol Canary, Feb 5, 16:22:08
  - but did the officials miss it & play on? (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:05:12
    - Yes it hit Pukki who was off the pitch and they played on (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:07:16
      - Thanks. Armchair Fan 1 - 0 WentToGameFan (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:51:40

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