It's possible that if this is the start of a year of pretty awful results and performances

then DW's team will get roundly booed. There was nothing left in the goodwill bank for Deansmith - but it wasn't like that at the start. I think everyone wanted him to succeed. I'm not sure if you realise, but I was quite a big Daniel Farke fan and I really wanted Deansmith to succeed.

The thing that's confusing me about this thread is that it somehow seems to have become a decisive thing and I'm not sure why. I can't work out what 'ABS' means so I'm not sure how I've become their spokesperson or what I'm championing.

This is how I see it:
1. We've had a year of DS football where we've all got more and more miserable.
2. Pretty much universally the NC fanbase thought it was time for him to be sacked. So now let's move on.
3. DW's first two league games made us happy. DW's attitude in those two games made us happy. Really promising start!
4. Our team has been broken for a while and it will take time to fix it. I'm happy to give it more time before despairing!

Posted By: Bravo win or die on February 5th 2023 at 18:05:11

Message Thread

I may be repeating but (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 15:40:18
- Well done wrathers. … 100 posts on this. (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 5, 19:19:11
  - It isn’t (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 19:22:15
    - Yep the narrative was set tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 19:25:12
- The yo-yo’ing is boring (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 18:35:14
  - Lots of opinions about individual games are bullshit (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 18:51:07
    - 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 19:21:05
- Thanks for the KidWatch, go on TDP (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Feb 5, 18:33:10
- I don't think either keeper is really in Wagners plans (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 5, 17:10:16
  - I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't like Angus. (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Feb 5, 17:26:14
  - 3-4 games and you think he doesn't like Gunny? I'm sure an experienced (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Feb 5, 17:18:36
- Isn’t Gunn injured ? (n/m) (NCFC) - helvegtheowl, Feb 5, 16:55:34
- Of course…the ‘convenient’ thing to do (NCFC) - MonkeyPuzzle, Feb 5, 16:10:26
- What I came away with yesterday was the time wasted by Deansmith to coach the team into (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 16:07:56
  - “Possible” that Burnley have better players? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 18:36:12
  - This "team identity" (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:59:44
    - That's what I'm frustrated about. He didn't have one and never looked like getting one (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 17:21:10
      - I wouldn't have been bothered about what style of play he wanted to play in (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 17:31:34
        
        I am trying to see your p.o.v (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:41:47
        
        Was there not a minutes applause for a fan bang after Burnley got their goal? (NCFC) - Rufus Rednuts, Feb 5, 18:15:41
        
        😄 (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:19:18
        
        It's possible that if this is the start of a year of pretty awful results and performances (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:05:11
        
        Nails it (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Feb 5, 19:13:57
        
        ABS = Anyone But Smith (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:13:37
        
        Thank you for explaining ABS - actually I'm not really sure that does apply to me (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:24:43
        
        I would be an utter twat if I was defending DS (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:43:38
        
        We won 6 in a row very unconvincingly with smith … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 19:06:14
        
        The narrative was set early with Smith (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 18:39:42
        
        Top post (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:11:09
        
        👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 5, 18:09:05
        
        I don’t get what point you’re trying to make (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 5, 17:54:40
        
        None of that is controversial (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 19:12:59
        
        Smith had over a year people did give him a chance ? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 19:29:47
        
        Well said 👏 (Do you want to take over as spokesperson for the ABS?) (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:11:57
        
        Lol. Maybe I’ll do Sundays-Tuesday, you can do Wed-Frid? (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 5, 18:31:45
        
        I like it! Job share (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:35:17
        
        Agree (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:11:21
        
        Well, the fans who 'forgave' Krul yesterday (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:04:10
        
        I think then that they must be the sort of fans who always have a go at players who make (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:10:24
        
        He got horrific stick yesterday. (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:11:55
        
        Not in the immediate aftermath of the goal (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:19:07
        
        No. There was applause. For the girl who died. (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:22:04
        
        *long* (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:22:26
        
        Unless you were sitting in the same block of the same stand (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:35:11
        
        I see. (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:44:40
        
        yes (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 19:06:21
        
        Tacitly or otherwise (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 19:38:01
        
        But NOT as horrific as he would have of got if Deansmith was still in charge 😊 (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:17:52
        
        Indeed. (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 5, 18:20:27
        
        Exactly we had him for over a year and made us worse … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:02:31
        
        I’m fine letting smith go (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 17:34:19
        
        What is 'The current shambles'? - the loss to table topping Burnley? (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 17:38:24
        
        I've 180'd on it. I was critical of the DS critics and the talk of identity (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Feb 5, 19:52:42
        
        The defending yesterday was utterly abysmal (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 17:49:17
      - Isn't it entirely possibly (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:27:57
        
        Well if that's the case, I'm not sure why we didn't sack him earlier because (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 17:34:58
        
        So is the definition of 'shambles' how you perform against Burnley? (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 5, 18:13:59
        
        Was obvious he tried to mage us more pragmatic … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 17:30:08
    - A team comfortable in possession … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 17:08:41
      - This wasn't a Q for you (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:25:42
        
        Because the other side were perfectly happy for us to have it … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 17:27:36
        
        Just a couple of small things (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:35:39
        
        Webber kept hold of sinani because smith liked him pre season … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:05:31
        
        Let's see the source for this (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:09:41
        
        The source is Dean smith himself … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:14:43
        
        So there is no source for your claim that Webber kept him (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 18:28:32
        
        Smith regularly picked poor players tbh not sure why you are so stern in your defence of… (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:46:16
        
        Do you think we should have stuck with Smith? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 17:42:34
        
        no (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:44:17
        
        So what exactly is your point? (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 17:51:32
        
        Many, many fans entirely blamed Smith (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:54:58
        
        Smith had over a year Wagner has had 4 games what are you talking about ????? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 18:06:10
        
        See above, USH's post. (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 17:58:58
  - Krul has been dreadful though (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:13:33
    - We weren't bad defensively yesterday (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 16:36:31
      - Quite important areas though (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:40:03
        
        Very much, and so we lost (NCFC) - paulg, Feb 5, 16:53:30
        
        We clearly can defend corners (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:02:59
        
        Keeper thing (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 17:22:08
        
        Assume (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:54:32
        
        so (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:54:45
    - Gunn is injured (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Feb 5, 16:21:32
      - 67% (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:27:48
        
        And I didn’t think Gunn was injured before (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:28:42
        
        and stayed with Krul even after being shakey (!) at Cov (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:33:19
        
        Angus is injured! (n/m) (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Feb 5, 17:29:02
        
        He wasn't inj for games at PNE & Coventry (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 17:43:43
        
        We don't know if there were some pre niggles before yesterday (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Feb 5, 18:58:44
- I don't think many fans solely thought a change of manager would fix issues (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Feb 5, 15:48:04
  - They were very smug after the last 2 league games (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 15:55:00
    - Not sure who they are or who was smug (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Feb 5, 15:58:17
      - You haven't been paying attention then (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:10:03
        
        I would say your negative and equally smug view is every bit as tedious (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 18:47:29
        
        Not sure what you are getting at we at least looked vaguely exciting … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 16:25:16
        
        The point is clear (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:29:44
        
        That we are a work in progress and there has been some questionable recruitment … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 16:32:28
        
        He defo should be (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:40:45
        
        It was a relief (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Feb 5, 16:24:25
        
        Missing the point totally (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:29:27
        
        The point was a strawman argument (n/m) (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Feb 5, 19:11:00
        
        how is it a strawman argument? (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 20:16:25
        
        Not sure what you are getting at we at least looked vaguely exciting … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 5, 16:22:20
        
        There was a stupid assumption among some that somehow we were a top 2 team being held back (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 5, 18:42:25
      - We were regularly beating bang average (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:01:30
- Chris Goreham confirmed it had gone out (NCFC) - Cellophane Flowers, Feb 5, 15:47:17
  - I still can't see how they missed it (NCFC) - Kangol Canary, Feb 5, 16:22:08
  - but did the officials miss it & play on? (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:05:12
    - Yes it hit Pukki who was off the pitch and they played on (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 5, 16:07:16
      - Thanks. Armchair Fan 1 - 0 WentToGameFan (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 5, 16:51:40

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