Not all avoidance is legal

Which is to say, many ‘avoidance’ schemes end up being investigated and proven to be evasion.

I don’t think the likes of ISAs and allowable expenses/umbrella companies for self-employed/consultants should be seen as ‘avoidance’ as they’re simply legitimate functions of the tax system.

Should probably be 3 categories: mitigation (legal) avoidance (probably illegal) and evasion (definitely illegal)

Posted By: CWC on January 29th 2023 at 10:47:37

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Somewhat inevitable... (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jan 29, 09:09:42
- Why the fuck should he be ‘proud’ (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Jan 29, 14:49:21
  - Is it? (General Chat) - APB, Jan 29, 16:01:17
    - My apologies, I read that as a reply to me. Sorry. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Jan 29, 16:04:51
- Interestingly worded statement.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jan 29, 13:31:17
- Personally speaking, I think tax should be a matter of pride, not shame. (General Chat) - APB, Jan 29, 10:05:34
  - The altruistic dream... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jan 29, 13:24:58
    - I’m afraid, without wishing to start an argument, you’re being cynical… (General Chat) - APB, Jan 29, 16:04:05
  - There is tax avoidance (legally allowed) and tax evasion (illegal) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jan 29, 10:32:45
    - I know. (General Chat) - APB, Jan 29, 15:19:42
    - Nailed it. (General Chat) - usacanary, Jan 29, 13:46:52
      - It's popular to say it's popular (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 29, 18:31:05
    - Not all avoidance is legal (General Chat) - CWC, Jan 29, 10:47:37
      - Classic quote time... (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jan 29, 10:56:12
      - I work in financial services (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jan 29, 10:55:38
        
        Do you really call them tax avoidance? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 13:05:47
        
        Tax avoidance is what it is! (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jan 29, 13:33:58
        
        HMRC doesn’t agree with that (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 13:50:38
        
        HMRC doesn’t agree with the avoidance of tax that cannot be avoided! (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jan 29, 15:04:51
        
        As I said, HMRC don’t agree with that (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 15:06:57
        
        You mean HMRC don't consider planning = avoidance? (General Chat) - paulg, Jan 29, 16:54:48
        
        You again 🤪🤪 (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 17:42:25
        
        Perfectly innocent question (General Chat) - paulg, Jan 29, 19:34:58
        
        🤪🤪🤪 (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 19:58:38
        
        I genuinely have no idea what your problem is (General Chat) - paulg, Jan 29, 20:03:11
        
        Deffo! (General Chat) - CWC, Jan 29, 12:31:30
  - When faced with two legal, acceptable options for organising a persons tax affairs (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 10:20:51
    - I would say the vast majority of people who say this... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jan 29, 13:37:42
      - Who say what? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 13:57:23
        
        You're making the mistake of presuming this is an objective contribution (General Chat) - norwaay, Jan 29, 14:16:46
        
        Thank you. Was just thinking the same. The "look what I've got" convo is (General Chat) - Pixelman, Jan 29, 14:25:49
        
        Good point well made, thank you 👍 (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 14:18:23
  - Not a luxury I can afford (General Chat) - CWC, Jan 29, 10:15:19
- The die was cast when the head of HMRC stuck his nose in (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jan 29, 09:41:59
  - Some hot take there. I'm sure Sohpie Cockeran and Darren Grimes will be (General Chat) - Pixelman, Jan 29, 13:48:28
  - I think Zahawi’s position was impossible to defend (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jan 29, 10:36:00
    - He was "careless" that's all... (General Chat) - Rufus Rednuts, Jan 29, 10:56:49
  - He didn’t stick his nose in (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 10:24:14
    - Tbf they also issue automated penalties where they aren’t due (General Chat) - CWC, Jan 29, 10:51:29
      - Are you talking about admin type penalties? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 12:46:52
  - Jesus wept, what incredible guff. (General Chat) - norwaay, Jan 29, 10:03:48
  - Goog job he did. Any way to get rid of these utter fucking crooks (General Chat) - CB41, Jan 29, 09:54:21
  - I dont get why it was "sticking his nose in"? (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jan 29, 09:46:09
- There's a lot of rich people who play fast and loose with their tax arrangements (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jan 29, 09:20:51
  - Plenty of not-rich 'normals' do it too unfortunately (n/m) (General Chat) - Adster, Jan 29, 09:50:01
  - I wonder how much would be put back into the economy if all these tax avoidance schemers w (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jan 29, 09:32:01
    - Probably less than if the grey economy didn’t exist! (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jan 29, 10:18:19

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