I heard Fiona Hill being interviewed - the woman from County Durham

who is a massive Putin/Russia expert. She’s been presidential adviser for several presidents and I have a lot of time for her. I think she knows her stuff (although, as has been said, it’s clearly a complex issue with different viewpoints).

Anyway it was driving her crazy that the west was somehow being blamed for the war because of the expansion of NATO. She is absolutely convinced that there is something within Putin and his desperation for Russia to be like the Russia of Peter the Great era. It’s nothing to do with wanting to go back to the post war communist Soviet Union era. He simply cannot accept that Ukraine is a separate country with its own identity and history. He deems them lesser than Russians and would have been determined to crush them whatever was happening with NATO.

Posted By: Bravo win or die on September 21st 2022 at 18:44:46

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Re.The war in Ukraine. You only ever hear of one narrative in western media.... (General Chat) - jimbo, Sep 21, 15:00:38
- To be fair (General Chat) - JWT2022, Sep 21, 18:53:32
- No doubt it's complicated (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Sep 21, 18:07:01
- imagine being 60 years old and sent to the front line ha ha that's fucking batshit mental (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 21, 17:56:25
  - Why bother if he’s going to push the button? (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Sep 21, 20:34:22
    - 10 years in the gulag for refusniks (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 21, 20:42:28
  - But if Ukraine hired a Chuck Norris (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 19:56:34
  - I reckon you are right (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Sep 21, 19:08:33
- TBF even the leaders he is freindly with are not happy about this.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 21, 17:24:07
- thought politics was banned (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 17:16:24
  - So why do you post about Springsteen? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 17:18:55
    - have i ever mentioned his politics (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 18:47:02
      - You don’t need to (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 19:31:22
        
        lets be very clear about this .. so their no confusion (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 20:35:15
        
        there (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 21:00:16
- Spoke to a Ukrainian refugee (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Sep 21, 16:59:00
  - tbf (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 21, 17:12:06
    - Very true (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Sep 21, 19:42:06
  - Jewish Nazi 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 17:11:56
  - Amazing (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 17:03:49
    - Surprised Russia wouldn’t take her (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 17:12:07
  - lol (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 17:00:06
- I worked with a russian (General Chat) - Jester, Sep 21, 16:14:22
  - probably right (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 16:19:14
    - half right (General Chat) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Sep 21, 16:28:06
- Hello tankie (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 21, 15:24:08
- as the song goes we have "God on our side" (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 15:14:10
  - Wasn't that the Thompson Twins..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 21, 17:22:01
- Russian tanks crossed the border into Ukraine and then they started bombing civilians (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 21, 15:05:19
  - The US funded the ousting of their elected president Yanukovych in 2014 (General Chat) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Sep 21, 16:15:33
    - we do it, Russia does it, China does it (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 21, 17:05:38
    - They did. In Cuba. So you have your answer. (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 16:37:27
  - eastward expansion of NATO since '92 (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 21, 15:33:26
    - I heard Fiona Hill being interviewed - the woman from County Durham (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Sep 21, 18:44:46
      - Yes! (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 20:00:10
    - Indeed (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 16:35:03
      - It may have been over more peacefully (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 16:46:34
        
        I don’t think it would have been no more (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 17:05:20
        
        "You seem to be taking a quite simplistic position" (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 17:27:20
        
        Ah. Then we have the same stance. (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 17:30:50
        
        And Estonia. Forgot about Estonia. (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 17:06:35
    - Why does NATO have to keep expanding??? (General Chat) - jimbo, Sep 21, 15:50:16
      - because.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 21, 17:48:51
      - er, WTF?? (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Sep 21, 17:01:28
      - Because countries keep wanting to join for their own security? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 16:20:31
      - Russian doesn’t do diplomacy it invades a foreign land … (General Chat) - loz, Sep 21, 16:00:56
      - LOL thanks for the laugh (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 15:59:44
      - Why does Russia have to keep expanding??? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 21, 15:59:15
        
        Nice (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Sep 21, 16:00:39
- My thoughts (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 15:05:00
  - To early.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 21, 17:49:37
  - Borscht (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 21, 15:26:34
    - ^^^ needed the £330/wk to bolster his strike pay (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 21, 16:42:31

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