No doubt it's complicated

And a narrative that everything one side is black, and everything the other is white, is stupidly simplistic.

But what I do know is that last time I voted I had a lot of choices on the ballot paper, and nobody threatened me to vote one way or another. If I want to write to my MP to tell them they're rubbish, or join a protest, I can. I can freely denounce some of the terrible decisions our Govt is taking. And nobody takes me away.

Russians have for years and years had one choice on the ballot paper, and you'd better like it or else. It's clear that if you protest against Vlad then you get stuck in a van, beaten up and taken away. His political opponents fall off a lot of balconies to their death, or spend a lot of time rotting in prison.

I'm looking at that USA, or indeed the UK, through rose tinted spectacles and thinking our leaders are pure spirited and have nothing but world peace in mind as they lead us. The USA is a cesspool of greed. But I know where I'd rather live.

Ultimately, Vlad rolled his tanks into a neighbouring country. That tips the scales pretty far away from moral equivalence in my book, even if I don't believe everything any news organisation tells me. And even though I don't know the first thing about geopolitics.

Posted By: Under soil heating on September 21st 2022 at 18:07:01

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Re.The war in Ukraine. You only ever hear of one narrative in western media.... (General Chat) - jimbo, Sep 21, 15:00:38
- To be fair (General Chat) - JWT2022, Sep 21, 18:53:32
- No doubt it's complicated (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Sep 21, 18:07:01
- imagine being 60 years old and sent to the front line ha ha that's fucking batshit mental (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 21, 17:56:25
  - Why bother if he’s going to push the button? (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Sep 21, 20:34:22
    - 10 years in the gulag for refusniks (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 21, 20:42:28
  - But if Ukraine hired a Chuck Norris (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 19:56:34
  - I reckon you are right (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Sep 21, 19:08:33
- TBF even the leaders he is freindly with are not happy about this.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 21, 17:24:07
- thought politics was banned (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 17:16:24
  - So why do you post about Springsteen? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 17:18:55
    - have i ever mentioned his politics (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 18:47:02
      - You don’t need to (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 19:31:22
        
        lets be very clear about this .. so their no confusion (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 20:35:15
        
        there (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 21:00:16
- Spoke to a Ukrainian refugee (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Sep 21, 16:59:00
  - tbf (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 21, 17:12:06
    - Very true (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Sep 21, 19:42:06
  - Jewish Nazi 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 17:11:56
  - Amazing (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 17:03:49
    - Surprised Russia wouldn’t take her (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 17:12:07
  - lol (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 17:00:06
- I worked with a russian (General Chat) - Jester, Sep 21, 16:14:22
  - probably right (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 16:19:14
    - half right (General Chat) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Sep 21, 16:28:06
- Hello tankie (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 21, 15:24:08
- as the song goes we have "God on our side" (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 21, 15:14:10
  - Wasn't that the Thompson Twins..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 21, 17:22:01
- Russian tanks crossed the border into Ukraine and then they started bombing civilians (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 21, 15:05:19
  - The US funded the ousting of their elected president Yanukovych in 2014 (General Chat) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Sep 21, 16:15:33
    - we do it, Russia does it, China does it (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 21, 17:05:38
    - They did. In Cuba. So you have your answer. (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 16:37:27
  - eastward expansion of NATO since '92 (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 21, 15:33:26
    - I heard Fiona Hill being interviewed - the woman from County Durham (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Sep 21, 18:44:46
      - Yes! (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 20:00:10
    - Indeed (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 16:35:03
      - It may have been over more peacefully (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 16:46:34
        
        I don’t think it would have been no more (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 17:05:20
        
        "You seem to be taking a quite simplistic position" (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 17:27:20
        
        Ah. Then we have the same stance. (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 17:30:50
        
        And Estonia. Forgot about Estonia. (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Sep 21, 17:06:35
    - Why does NATO have to keep expanding??? (General Chat) - jimbo, Sep 21, 15:50:16
      - because.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 21, 17:48:51
      - er, WTF?? (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Sep 21, 17:01:28
      - Because countries keep wanting to join for their own security? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 16:20:31
      - Russian doesn’t do diplomacy it invades a foreign land … (General Chat) - loz, Sep 21, 16:00:56
      - LOL thanks for the laugh (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 21, 15:59:44
      - Why does Russia have to keep expanding??? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 21, 15:59:15
        
        Nice (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Sep 21, 16:00:39
- My thoughts (General Chat) - jamesward, Sep 21, 15:05:00
  - To early.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 21, 17:49:37
  - Borscht (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 21, 15:26:34
    - ^^^ needed the £330/wk to bolster his strike pay (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 21, 16:42:31

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